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Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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America - A Second-amendment Death Cult?

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by tom sarbeck on Wednesday. 13 Replies

This is a column by the Rude Pundit, in which he compares the NRA to Aztec high priests demanding death sacrifices.His conclusion:If we…Continue

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Biblical Family Values (AronRa)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Jul 13. 7 Replies

One of the most absurd and self-contradictory phrases out in the ether these days is that of "Family Values," usually thrown about by christians who challenge those who would attempt to make changes to usages and practices which they feel were…Continue

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Comment by Joan Denoo on April 3, 2013 at 10:08pm

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 3, 2013 at 10:06pm

"Banks must be “tasked with the job of deciding how best to split themselves up” under the supervision of regulators,  “There should be rules imposed, perhaps something like Glass-Steagall.”

~Brroksley Born, former chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, told reporters in Washington today.

"The large banks “have too much political power and too much money to be sufficiently capable of being managed, of being supervised and regulated, and of being permitted to fail” 

~ Brooksley Born 

Brooksley Born Urges Bank Breakups to Help End Too Big to Fail

Comment by tom sarbeck on April 3, 2013 at 2:28am

I read the survey and concluded that Cindy McCain wants moderates to return in numbers large enough to make the evangelicals unnecessary.

The Repub Party is too divided for the term "the Republicans" to be useful.

When Reagan invited the big government evangelical Repubs into the party, so many came in that they took the party away from the small-government (libertarian) Repubs.

The problem started about 1960 when the Repub far right started expelling moderates. After the 1964 Goldwater disaster, the moderates regrouped but Rockefeller and company did nothing to help them. The party need members to replace the moderates and recruited Southern racist Dems, which all but finished the moderates. I'd always been an independent but in 1974 ran as a moderate in a Repub primary for the legislature. I did well but not well enough to beat the incumbent. Reagan's bringing the authoritarian evangelicals into the party took it to the FAR right, made it a big government party, and sent me to the Dems, and eventually out past the liberals to the progressives.

I find both parties about equally corrupt. I long ago decided that Dems are soft-headed and Repubs are hard-hearted. Repubs are now both hard-hearted and "teaparty crazy".

Comment by Grinning Cat on April 2, 2013 at 9:59am

Republican liberals like Cindy McCain are promoting a new survey, "How Do YOU View the Republican Party", aimed at under-30s.

John Aravosis parses it at AmericaBLOG, pointing out, "You know the Republicans are panicking when they ask their members if they should still be opposed to gay marriage, abortion, and marijuana."

A few points of interest:

In the list of "Which issue(s) do you consider when you vote", they include "gay marriage/gay rights", abortion, and the environment, but not the old reliable "immigration" or "family values".

In "Do you think that the Republican Party discriminates against people?" the list includes "environmentalists" and "gays and lesbians".

There's also a free-response question, "What would a Republican have to do or say in order for you to vote for her/him?" Maybe we should let them know.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/8PXHD8Y

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 2, 2013 at 2:38am

The Global Economy on the Fly - Nouriel Roubini

"In sum, among advanced economies, the US is in the best relative shape, followed by Japan, where Abenomics is boosting confidence. The eurozone and the UK remain mired in recessions made worse by tight monetary and fiscal policies. Among emerging economies, China could face a hard landing by late 2014 if critical structural reforms are postponed, and the other BRICs need to turn away from state capitalism. While other emerging markets in Asia and Latin America are showing more dynamism than the BRICs, their strength will not be enough to turn the global tide."

~ Nouriel Roubini, April 1st, 2013

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 30, 2013 at 2:20pm

P4 = Possible>Probable>Preferable>Plausible>

Birth + P4 > death. 

If one is born into a toxic family in a toxic community in a toxic world he and she face challenges and choices that define one as an individual. 

Tom, to be honest, that little 10 year old girl is my daughter, now 49, and her father, my former husband, was an abuser. 

I was born into an abusive home, I made a choice in a husband, probably because of his controlling nature. The toxic nature of our lives, until she showed me the way out, transformed each one of us. I, from being a battered wife; she from being a battered child. 

That is what I mean by being. 

By forcing change, by taking risks, by refusing to follow the traditions of my family and community, I broke the chains of abuse in our home and set examples for my children and my family. I revealed my family and my religion bound my mind in ways to  replicate a toxicity. 

That challenge required ability to work, to belong, to think and to transcend patterns of old ways of being into new ways. 

Comment by Dogly on March 29, 2013 at 7:51am

Joan, I like that statement, too.  I'd just transpose the last two words.

Comment by tom sarbeck on March 29, 2013 at 6:00am

JOAN, NO!

Not being with the abuse; being with herself.

I'm amazed. Who gave her what it took to do what she did?

I was amazed like that about 20 years when my youngest brother, then about 50, told me what he'd done when he was about 15 and I was away finishing college. He told me our dad made noises like he was going to hit my brother. My brother told him, "You hit me and I'll hit you back!"

When I was 15 my dad was too strong for me to take on in a fist fight or any other kind of fight. I had to swallow my anger. It came out years later when I was doing politics in Arizona. My dad was still alive but too old and frail to give me any satisfaction. I now laugh when I say I took on Arizona's most powerful politicians. One of them gave me a compliment: he tried to get me fired from my job, and failed.

I didn't understand your "being" remark as being with the abuse. Did you mean it that way?

I understood it as being with one's self.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 29, 2013 at 12:25am

Tom, about bullying. I understand what you mean by avoiding idealism and cynicism. Your example of an attorney stepping between a bully and another illustrates it well. He was able to end the confrontation with a simple, "I am his attorney!" That would stop a lot of such events taking place. It would be a good line if one could get away with it. In a way, that is what I talked about in this last piece. The attorney knew he had power because he knew law and human nature. That confidence makes others take note without violence. 

Let us take another scenario. A ten year old girl made a diorama for a school competition. It was cardboard box with one side cut away and an Indian village was created inside the box. Sand created hills, sticks were trees, a mirror was a lake. She won first place in her school competition and was to go to the county fair with her village. There were grasses in the box with seeds. Living in Texas, if she had brought the box into the house, those awful beetles would start hatching. After a conference it was decided the safest, best place was in the tool shed on top of the insecticides. Her father, a full colonel at that time, came home from work, saw the diorama in the shed, threw it to the driveway and stomped it to pieces. 
The little ten year old girl stood before him, her hands on her hips, her nose just level with his bronze belt buckle, and she said, "You don't have a right to treatment me this way."

This is what I mean by courage! This little girl, so tiny, so sure of herself that she wouldn't remain quiet or passive in the face of a bully. She was firm, confident, and determined. Can a child be trained to take command, especially when a child is being bullied by a parent, teacher, sibling or school mate? 

I like the thought of "just being"! However, life presents tough challenges of abuse of all kinds. Just being with abuse is not an answer. It fosters fear, depression, anxiety and rewards violence. 

Yes, I would like an ideal world where each individual gives and receives respect. Respect does not come as a gift; it has to be earned. To love unconditionally is an idea that bares bitter fruit in the presence of domination/submission. 

I very much respect your question and it deserves further thought. 

Comment by tom sarbeck on March 28, 2013 at 11:46pm

Avoid idealism and cynicism and just be.

Joan, you wrote something like a few posts ago. I liked it and it stuck in my mind.

I had earlier put realism between idealism and cynicism, and came to see that people who can just be have more power to change things than idealists, cynics, or people who claim to be realists.

Have you given any thought to what just being requires?

I have, and recalled an event. A retired attorney I met a few years ago, often had lunch with, and got to know had what it took to just be. I saw him dispose of a bullying incident by calmly stepping between bullies and their intended victim. No noisy demand; just "I'm his attorney."

Without the details, which would take a while to describe, the bullies (state employees) backed off and a written policy change resulted.

The calmness requires some self confidence (personal power) and a few more things.

What?

I'm working on it. What are your thoughts?

 
 
 

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