Politics, Economics, and Religion


Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Are We Monsters? (HuffPost – Neal Gabler)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by tom sarbeck 7 hours ago. 27 Replies

Warner Brothers and Universal have both been dusting off an inventory of classic monsters — King Kong, Godzilla, The Mummy, The Wolf Man, etc. — which prompted New York Times film critics Manohla Dargis and A.O. Scott to speculate whether this was a…Continue

Tags: Donald Trump, Joe Walsh, Jimmy Kimmel, monsters


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius May 14. 7 Replies

We, you and I, claim to live in a democracy, a place where the rule of law stands higher than the rule of man. We believe such fallacies because that is what we learned in school, from the first time we stood tall and proud and repeated the "pledge…Continue

Tags: propaganda, tRump, manipulation, fraud, mendacity

The Republicans are going to kill Robert Samuel White's mother.

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by tom sarbeck May 5. 1 Reply

This Twitter thread from Robert Samuel White, telling his family's story and reacting to yesterday's House passage of the American Health "Care" Act that will…Continue

Tags: GOP, Republican Party, Republicans, Greedy Old Party, insurance

Agriculture and religion have much in common, other than bull shit.

Started by Joan Denoo May 4. 0 Replies

Sixty some years ago I started college with a major in horticulture at Washington State College (now university). The first day of class, our prof, Dr. Woody Kalin, explained to us that we would be working with soil, and there was a difference…Continue

Tags: probability, opportunity, possibility, preferability., revolution

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Comment by tom sarbeck on May 19, 2017 at 12:15am
About xianity's collapse.

While researching several years ago the origin(s) of Jacques Derrida's deconstruction, I read of a collapse of xian morality in England during the middle 1800s that peaked during the 1840s

Concern for public morality resulted in the creation of Victorian literature, which told of the entire lives of people who lived morally or otherwise and who at the story's end were suitably rewarded or punished.

Then, shortly before WW One, writers lost interest in those long stories and started telling of parts of lives, starting what today is referred to as modernism or modernist literature.

Xianity has been collapsing for decades or centuries, sometimes slowly and sometimes rapidly.
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on May 18, 2017 at 11:17pm

Funny how to them, losing their ability to persecute whomever they want is persecution.

Comment by Loren Miller on May 18, 2017 at 10:27pm

It's not a collapse, Bertold, but an evolution, that dirty word which evangelical creationist Christians so loathe.  It's peculiar that, even though Christianity was likely the dominant belief system 200+ years ago, it failed to dominate or even significantly influence the formation of our government, except in the notations of Article VI, paragraph 3 of the Constitution, and later, the First Amendment.  Two hundred years later, when the New Deal threatened an inchoate corporatocracy, they used religion to obscure their own purposes while trying to play a long game to recement their own power base.

The problem is that, in the intervening time, another player entered the game – us, and those who represent us, whether you want to talk about the ACLU, the FFRF, or Americans United.  It's a matter of Paradise Lost, or more accurately, privilege lost.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on May 18, 2017 at 10:00pm

Robert P. Jones, chief executive of the Public Religion Research Institute and author of “The End of White Christian America” had a thoughtful article in the NYT

The Collapse of American Identity



[entire article]

. . . But recent survey data provides troubling evidence that a shared sense of national identity is unraveling, with two mutually exclusive narratives emerging along party lines. At the heart of this divide are opposing reactions to changing demographics and culture. The shock waves from these transformations — harnessed effectively by Donald Trump’s campaign — are reorienting the political parties from the more familiar liberal-versus-conservative alignment to new poles of cultural pluralism and monism.


, , , There have been other times in our history when the fabric of American identity was stretched in similar ways — the Civil War, heightened levels of immigration at the turn of the 20th century and the cultural upheavals of the 1960s.

 But during these eras, white Christians were still secure as a demographic and cultural majority in the nation. The question at stake was whether they were going to make room for new groups at a table they still owned. Typically, a group would gain its seat in exchange for assimilation to the majority culture. But as white Christians have slipped from the majority over the past decade, this familiar strategy is no longer viable.

 White Christians are today struggling to face a new reality: the inevitable surrender of table ownership in exchange for an equal seat. And it’s this new higher-stakes challenge that is fueling the great partisan reorientation we are witnessing today.

Jones also writes a column in The Atlantic that's often interesting.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on May 18, 2017 at 2:32pm

I totally agree, tom. A new election won't do squat without fixing the electoral system in my view.

Here's a chuckle from The Borowitz Report.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on May 15, 2017 at 9:40pm

pessimistic/realistic <=> potato/potahto

Comment by tom sarbeck on May 15, 2017 at 9:15pm
Bert, Pierce uses the word 'welfare' without saying whether he's referring to welfare for living persons or welfare for corporations.

Of course, what counts is that he is as pessimistic as another guy whose prose I read.:)
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on May 15, 2017 at 7:24pm

Republicans Are Trying to Turn Healthcare into Welfare

Charles Pierce

The prime goal of modern conservatism has been the destruction not only of the literal political commonwealth, but the very idea of it, the spirit and impulse behind the first three words of the Constitution that was produced by the Convention that opened 230 years ago on Monday. Having sought its destruction within the political sphere, there now seems to be a concerted effort to track down and kill what's left of its fragile spirit within our private institutions. We, The People is close to being completely eclipsed by Us and Them, which is the anti-matter to the substance of a democratic republic. Annihilation is the inevitable result.
Comment by tom sarbeck on May 15, 2017 at 5:22pm
Wow! Those are great draft letters, Ruth.

And how happy I am to be in California, where voters can, and recently did via a ballot proposition, end an abuse of power by a legislature (which currently has a Democratic majority). America needs a national direct initiative and referendum.
Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on May 15, 2017 at 4:02pm

Letter for Democratic Senator:

Congress should not be conducting business as usual when our democracy is under direct threat. It is every Member of Congress’ sworn duty to protect and defend our country, including from abuses of power by the sitting President. I urge you to object on every motion until an independent prosecutor has been appointed. Artie Nusbaum, one of the managers of the construction firm that built Trump Tower, said of Trump, “This is who he is. No morals, no nothing.” I urge you to save democracy through appointment of an independent  prosecutor.

I also urge you again to support The Presidential Tax Transparency Act S. 26, that would require all Presidents and nominees for President to release their tax returns to the public.

Donald Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions are reportedly interviewing candidates to serve as interim FBI director until Trump names and the Senate confirms a new FBI director.  This is a direct conflict of interest. Both Trump and Sessions are potential targets of the investigation into possible collusion between Russia and the Trump administration. Sessions is once again violating his pledge to completely recuse himself from the ongoing investigation of Russian interference after being caught lying under oath about his contacts with Russia. Statute allows the president to choose an interim FBI director outside of the standard order of succession, and that process is underway. According to a Justice Department official, the attorney general is also considering Andrew McCabe. When nominees are presented, I urge you to reject any new FBI director with a political background. The public can only trust someone with a non-political Justice Department history, without Trump administration or political entanglements. The FBI Agents Association has backed former lawmaker and FBI agent Mike Rogers to replace Comey

If Trump nominates radio host and climate denier Sam Clovis to run the research division of the Department of Agriculture, I urge you to oppose him. Clovis, who has never taken a graduate science course, should never be in charge of research.

Politico found six senators who each traded more than 100 stocks in the past two years, in conflict of interest with their political duties. I urge you to strengthen Senate ethics accountability and bring this shameful practice to a halt.



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