Politics, Economics, and Religion


Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Overton Window shifted toward burn everything down

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Oct 18. 3 Replies

"Breitbart's whole goal was to burn everything down...and Trump has gone full Breitbart."Ben Shapiro ( former Breitbart editor-at-large,  who has become a vociferous critic)…Continue

Tags: far-right echo-chamber overtakes national voice

Bill Maher on Donald Trump

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by tom sarbeck Oct 15. 8 Replies

Bill Maher has spared nothing on his Real Time program in repeatedly eviscerating Drumpf in every last available way.  Those assessments are usually focused on one particular aspect of Drumpf's behavior or personality, but to borrow from…Continue

Tags: Bill Maher, asshole, Drumpf, Donald Trump

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Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on September 20, 2016 at 6:06pm
Effect of cellphone polling on last presidential election. Big factor and demographic effect.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on September 20, 2016 at 5:51pm

Nice, GC - thanx for posting.

Comment by Grinning Cat on September 20, 2016 at 5:32pm

(Maybe this should go in "Pathways for taking in refugees?"... but it's broadly applicable here too.)


They have no need of our help
So do not tell me
These haggard faces could belong to you or me
Should life have dealt a different hand
We need to see them for who they really are
Chancers and scroungers
Layabouts and loungers
With bombs up their sleeves
Cut-throats and thieves
They are not
Welcome here
We should make them
Go back to where they came from
They cannot
Share our food
Share our homes
Share our countries
Instead let us
Build a wall to keep them out
It is not okay to say
These are people just like us
A place should only belong to those who are born there
Do not be so stupid to think that
The world can be looked at another way

(now read from bottom to top)

(Brian Bilston)

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on August 29, 2016 at 11:17am
We need to wake up to propaganda.


Comment by Joan Denoo on August 28, 2016 at 11:00pm

@Bertold, I like Ruth's suggestion to start a discussion  in Media Issues. We need to wake up to propaganda. Here would be an excellent place to start. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on August 28, 2016 at 10:19pm

Bertold, that's a scary article! I sure hope that's not all that we are. This really deserves a discussion, perhaps one in Media Issues. You should consider joining that group. You have much to add. These points hit home for me.

...Trump understands how Americans actually think. They think TV. They think ratings. They think entertainment. We are a TV-based culture.

We have been watching reality TV shows. That is what we love. That is what we resonate to. “The Real Housewives of Atlanta.”

We are TV culture. It defines who we are.

Today, political conventions are nothing but carefully directed TV shows. Likewise “debates.” They exist only to entertain a TV audience. TV and  entertainment now dictate everything political. It is a never-ending show. The biggest reality show on air.

And Donald Trump is great TV.

He knows how to entertain.

Hillary Clinton is crap TV.

She may be smarter, better prepared, a better politician. It won’t matter. She is terrible entertainment.

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 28, 2016 at 9:56pm

I feel a lot better after this lengthy discussion. I am clearer on what I believe and don't. The foundation upon which stand feels more stable.

Comment by tom sarbeck on August 28, 2016 at 6:30pm

     Libertarianism does not fill the gaps.

Joan, as I'm sure you know, libertarianism and natural selection don't care. Only people care.

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 28, 2016 at 1:09pm

I agree with you, Joseph, when you wrote, “Some of these people living in poverty don't have the foundational education, having grown up in poverty with a horrible home life.  Some simply don't have the raw intellect.  Many people end up in horrible circumstances, at no fault of their own”

I think I can be classified as having grown up in a dysfunctional home and I confess to running away to marriage thinking I was going to escape free of the bonds that bound me to family violence. Once I realized I was caught in the same trap as my mother and both grandmothers, at 37-years old I ran again except this time I ran toward self-sufficiency. I am so grateful I did. A lot of people get caught in such traps. 

When I returned to college it was easy to get grants and scholarships so I was able to pay off my education to the master’s level in a couple of years. That is not possible now. 

I had three 10-year olds to feed when I ran so I also did a lot of strategic planning, i.e. I grew a huge garden out of a piece of land that was pure weeds. I went to our local mom and pop grocery and told them what I was doing to support myself and asked if there were any way I could get protein and dairy at a cheaper price. They agreed I could scavenge in their back room and take outdated meat and dairy at $1.00 a box. I took advantage of that for one year and I have been a full paying customer ever since, 42 years ago. 

I was in error when I liked the idea of Penn’s and libertarianism. Housing, food, health care, transportation, and education, when left to the market, creates, maintains, and perpetuates poverty. It is in the national interest to provide stability and opportunity to low-income people. 

The present economy with such skyrocketing prices leaves more people behind. Libertarianism does not fill the gaps. We need a fundamental change in our politics, economics, education and a lot of other things. 

I would include in that fundamental change is to give up superstition and mythology as guiding principles. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 28, 2016 at 12:37pm


I disagree with you that poverty  “isn't an example of how people make bad choices.” Just by simple observation, I agree that US prejudices limit opportunities for many people, i.e. nationality, race, religion, age, size, etc. There exist all kinds of things that limit the opportunity for otherwise skilled people. I do make the mistake of thinking of white populations because that is the culture with which I am acquainted. However, out of my all-white elementary (0 non-whites) and secondary school (400 white to 24 people of color+-). I observed foolish elementary school students at the 40 and 60-year reunions, and they exhibit the same silly behaviors as when we were kids. Why did those stupid kids not make sensible decisions when they reached the ripe old age of 60 and 80? I haven’t a clue! Did they want to be poor? I don't think so. Did they want to live in run-down houses? Hardly. Did they like to drive beat-up clunkers? I can’t imagine it. 

What about the minority kids in my high school class? I was pretty good friends with most of them, and they all sought education in the skilled trades, in businesses, or in professions. What was different about those kids who had few opportunities, and what opportunities they did have they created themselves. Also, their parents pushed them very hard. They were mostly at the top of my math and science classes in high school. Perhaps their parents understood that life was going to be harder for them than for their white classmates. 



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