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Comment by Steph S. on March 13, 2013 at 12:16pm

I agree completely Joan:


"They all exist because too many people willingly submit to authority and fail to think for themselves."

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 13, 2013 at 12:14pm

IMHO, this will continue until there is a tipping point of people who understand blind obedience to authority cripples thinking. We have to learn to take responsibility for our behaviors, even priests, religious, politicians and financial institutions have to awaken to their hurtful  ways. They all exist because too many people willingly submit to authority and fail to think for themselves. 

Silence helps no one, it implies agreement, and little insults that have kept people in line in the past can now be revealed as insults. I am not a servent of god to be sacrificed on someone's alter. I am a participant in all that is and I am the author of my morals and ethics.

Thankfully, we have the tools of thought and recognize consequences of irrational thinking. Slaves, serfs, peasants, and consumers, victims of those who overstep their natural rights, can say NO! to domination. 

Comment by Steph S. on March 13, 2013 at 11:56am

When will they all get punished for their crimes?

It's sad to see them still practicing and getting away with it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 9, 2013 at 5:02am

Jeremy, I am glad to welcome you to this group.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 9, 2013 at 4:59am

Chris, I really do believe there is hope that individuals and families and religious people will wake up to the terrible harm these institutions have done to a gullible following. We know family violence and priest sexual abuse, and sexual abuse of military has gone on for as long as I have been aware and there have always been people crying and not being heard. Now, there are people paying attention, looking at their own lives and making some decisions to make changes. Even Boy Scouts speak out and receive attention. 

There are just too many streams coming together at this time to cause change. Yes, I too wonder if we can change people's attitudes when we face such valid evidence of climate change. We are just simply going to have to change and that is all there is to it. 

The good news is, we know what has to be done. Consumerism will choke us at the rate we are going and now the world wants to live as high as we do. Top-down thinking has some advantages, but it surely has some terrible factors that make it a failed system of management. Control presents a terrible problem from the cradle to the grave for all of us. Some think they are entitled to control others, and some think they have the responsibility to submit. Well, they are both wrong. 

I am so grateful for my training in graduate school where we learned the consequences of dominance thinking and that whole mess of worms. My daughter and one son and their whole families have taken interpersonal relations courses that benefited their businesses but now their children as well. Even a two year old can lean not to whine or bully, or feel helpless. Skills! That is all it is. Skills. These are learnable, and there are some who willingly learn them. There will come a tipping point when enough people will learn how to live and work civilly and work as teams to restore our planet's health. We all benefit.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 8, 2013 at 1:44pm

Welcome Dogly, I look forward to your participation in this group. 

Comment by Dogly on March 8, 2013 at 1:23pm

I agree, but I'll let the rest of you talk.  

Comment by Plinius on March 8, 2013 at 12:20am

Joan, I really don't know if there is hope. Like in your family, and in mine , the poison must be worked out and it costs lots of attention and hard work. I guess in some people and families the poison is so grown in the system that they even don't recognize it any longer.   

Comment by Loren Miller on March 7, 2013 at 1:48pm

Joan, I don't mind vitriol in the least, so long as it's aimed in the right direction.  Last I looked, you have your sights trimmed, windage and elevation set.

Your target's in for a rough ride!

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 7, 2013 at 1:24pm


"Control of superstitions, behavior, money, & sex......sounds about right."

Yes, they are all connected, kind of like Indra's net, change in one creates change in all. Notice how each bubble reflects the same image. This is the significance of Indra's Net, a dysfunctional system produces dysfunctional  elements. To end dysfunction, change an element. Of course that is not the whole story, but it is the beginning. 

The individual contains aspects of the whole. Change the individual ... me, not someone else, but me. 


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