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Comment by SteveInCO on March 5, 2013 at 5:36am

Is it in fact the case that RC priests have some sort of diplomatic immunity?

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on March 5, 2013 at 4:44am

Yes, these predators using their position to usurp sexual favors should be dealt with harshly, prison sentences are the least they should receive. Had my own run in with a church minister who taught us bible studies offering to teach me how to masturbate.  I was 14 and ignored his offers.

Yes, prison is where they belong at the very least.

Comment by tom sarbeck on March 4, 2013 at 9:48pm

amer chohan and Joan, it happened in eighth grade.

In the Cincinnati (Ohio) Catholic school my dad sent his kids to, eighth graders were tested for ability to do high school work. Most boys went to the sports-oriented high school; another boy and I went to the academic high school taught by Jesuits. Most girls (including my older sister) went to high school classes in the nearby convent.

The nun who taught eighth grade had put a lot of effort into getting as many kids as she could to enter the seminary or the convent. One boy went to the nearby seminary to study for the priesthood and one girl entered the nearby convent to study for...the sisterhood?

I don't know who finished what; my dad moved us all to Florida two years later.

Comment by tom sarbeck on March 4, 2013 at 9:13pm

Loren: About six years ago, an annual County art show here in Napa County showed a life-size sculpture of a wolf in a priests' clothing. I heard a few people, as they viewed it, say they liked it. It stirred no controversy, as it surely would have a few years earlier.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 4, 2013 at 7:53pm

Patricia, do you know of anyone in your area who gathered stories from those who suffered abuse, neglect besides being taken from their families and denied their religion and language (abuse enough to be criminal)?

They could be collections of written or verbal stories?

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 4, 2013 at 4:42pm

Pat, your explanation of RICO Act needs to be emphasized. 


Just to follow up on what Loren said, there is a Federal statute commonly referred to as the RICO Act. "Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations" Act. It was designed to go after the heads of Mafia families, for the crimes committed by their underlings with full knowledge of the Capo di tutti capi ("Godfather" - or in the case of the RCC - governing prelates). In addition, there are both State and Federal conspiracy laws that meet out prison sentences for those that consciously cover up crimes or, as listed in Illinois, Obstructing Justice (a felony). There are also numerous statutes regarding accessories to crimes - before, during, and after the criminal act. All of these, by the way, carry prison terms.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 4, 2013 at 4:32pm
Loren's statement needs to be repeated:
"The applicability of the RICO statute to the specific activities of the RCC which Pat and I have discussed here is clear and unambiguous ... and once again, I have to ask: where is there someone with the cojones to APPLY them?"
Comment by Joan Denoo on March 4, 2013 at 4:25pm
Pat's statement needs to emphasized:
"Now, given that there are already laws on the books to deal with the conspiratorial criminal cover-ups done by monsignors, bishops, archbishops and cardinals, seems to me its up to the civil authorities here in the US - State and Federal prosecutors - to get off their derrières and actually do something about this!
Comment by Joan Denoo on March 4, 2013 at 4:09pm
Mac Rex, Amer, Richard, John, and Pat
I am very happy to see each one of you on this site and your comments powerfully convey messages of intolerance of abuse of power, not only of the priests, but of the entire religious institution and other institutions that maintain and perpetuate injustice.
As Loren and others remind me, to be effective, language that has power is descriptive, definitive, specific and concrete. OK. I will do that.
Comment by Pat on March 4, 2013 at 3:38pm

@amer chohan. Today, it's generally up to the male to become a priest or nun in the Catholic Church. A few hundred years ago, among European nobility, the oldest male inherited the title and lands, the middle boy went into the military, and the youngest into the clergy. It was used to keep large land holdings together, and insuring all the offspring had a job.

Now, it's not uncommon for an 18 year old to join a Catholic seminary (college), and after receiving his degree and appropriate training, being ordained as a priest.

Funny story about a friend of mine. He decided, after high school, to join a seminary. He got thrown out after he wouldn't make his girlfriends quit writing to him. He never did quite get the whole "celibacy" concept. Went on to become a decorated US Marine sniper in Viet Nam.


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