Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

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Ingersoll Day August 11th

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Aug 12. 2 Replies

Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899)"When I became convinced that the universe is natural, that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood…Continue

Tags: fearless, joyous, freedom, Day, agnostic

On Emotion, Vulnerability, and a Flawed God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jul 2. 3 Replies

On 31 May, 2018, Joan Denoo posted a most excellent quote from David Hume: That quote was well deserving of a response, which is the following:The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever…Continue

Tags: flawed, vulnerable, emotion, god

Sam Harris on Morality and the Christian God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller May 24. 2 Replies

The debate between Sam Harris and William Lane Craig at Notre Dame in 2011 was particularly notable for one particular rebuttal by Harris to Craig, well into the debate.  Those 10 or so minutes…Continue

Big Bang vs Electric Universe, Lawrence Krauss' response

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Loren Miller May 23. 2 Replies

I wrote to Lawrence Krauss during the discussion of Big Bang vs Electric Universe:"Thurs, 5:54 PM, Lawrence, I belong to Atheist Nexus and a rather ugly debate began about the Big Bang Theory. One…Continue

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Comment by Patricia on Thursday

Those above the law pedestals have always irritated me no end.

Comment by Loren Miller on Thursday

No argument, Bertold ... none at all.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on Thursday
This one's short and to the point:

"The truth hurts: Make no mistake, if you support the Catholic Church, you support the rape and sexual abuse of children."

~Michael Stone
Comment by Loren Miller on Thursday

As long as any bishop still looks at a priest’s sexual abuse of a child as a “sin” rather than a “crime” nothing will change.
— Marie Collins, former member of Pope Francis’ Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors

Ms. Collins makes an exceptionally cogent point here. "Sins" are a church matter and are therefore handled by the church, through confession and other mechanisms. Crimes are a societal matter, outside the church's purview, and are dealt with the civil and criminal court system, which is typically NOT under the church's control, though their are exceptions, as Patricia noted.  Complicating the whole situation is the fact that most churches, Roman Catholic included, stand on a pedestal, above the law, in the eyes of too many.

What is required here is the recognition that the position of the church is NOT deserved, that it is subject to civil and criminal law, the same as any other human organization and that violations of that law by agents of ANY church should be handled no differently.

Comment by Loren Miller on Wednesday

Consider: if that had been ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION, law enforcement across the world would have been all over them like white on rice. The RICO act would have been invoked against their leadership, their properties would have been seized and used to compensate victims and the church itself would be rendered utterly and irretrievably bankrupt. Yet, because faith and its promoters are supposedly respectable, they continue to sell their snake oil ... and I'd be willing to bet, continue to molest children.
-- me, on the ongoing Catholic Church child abuse scandal

Enow spake.

Comment by Patricia on Wednesday

Everyone has awful history, & it still shocks me to read it.

Comment by Plinius on Wednesday

And here the same; the Dutch have the Banda Islands massacre to their name

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_conquest_of_the_Banda_Islands

There's nothing to be proud of.

Comment by Joan Denoo on Wednesday

Thank you, Patricia.  I appreciate your comment. 

Comment by Patricia on Wednesday

Excellent write up, Joan.

Comment by Joan Denoo on Wednesday

Remember, the Europeans and other nationalities came to the vast forests, deserts, rivers, and mountains and feared these natural elements? The Native populations did not fear nature; they did not attempt or expect to control it. The early immigrants wanted to conquer mother nature. They held the notion of "social Darwinism," that "the strong survive," including Homo sapiens. This belief promoted the notion that the white European race was superior to others, and therefore, destined to rule over them.

So, here we have a history of some men and women believing they were superior to nature, to natural processes, to other creatures that did not look like them, or had different skin color, or different skull sizes, or who had different languages. All of nature was to be subdued, conquered, manipulated and exploited and it was their god's plan for their lives. God planned to give everything, water, soils, air, minerals, gases, mountains, fertile valleys, all that swam, crawled, or flew to the fittest. They self-defined themselves as more fit than all other elements and therefore were entitled to everything.

The Belgians thought they were superior to those who lived in what we once called the Congo. The Black men were expected to go into the jungle, cover their bodies with liquid rubber from trees and return to have the substance stripped from their bodies causing pain and infections. If the men refused to do so, the Belgians cut off the hands and feet of their children and women. The Belgians believed they were entitled to the goods and services of the people of the Congo. 

I am now in touch with many Black people who live in the former Congo and have the last name "Denoo." Is that not strange? I have been trying, unsuccessfully, to find common ancestors. I talked with several of my relatives in Belgium who either worked in the Congo or who had ancestors who went there to gain vast riches for the Belgian King Leopold. 

I am not proud of my Belgian heritage, however, it does explain how and why my father and his family felt entitled to be in control and used whatever means they needed to achieve that goal. 

 

 

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