Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

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On authority, obedience, and "liberal" vs. "conservative" values

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 1. 1 Reply

Last week Loren shared this quotation in the group comments:But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial…Continue

Tags: politics, purity, loyalty, liberal, conservative

On Emotion, Vulnerability, and a Flawed God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Craigart14 Jun 1. 6 Replies

On 31 May, 2018, Joan Denoo posted a most excellent quote from David Hume: That quote was well deserving of a response, which is the following:The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever…Continue

Tags: flawed, vulnerable, emotion, god

"We need a much broader conversation on what morality of pro-life is"

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Apr 28. 3 Replies

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a…Continue

Tags: Planned, Parenthood, contraception, Pro-life,, O.S.B.

Aron Ra on Gods, Demons, and the Meaning of Life

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Apr 20. 2 Replies

This isn't quite a rant, but it's more than just a talk or a speech.  What follows here is the end of something Aron Ra delivered several years ago which has stuck with me practically since I first…Continue

Tags: soul, bible, skeptic, devil, god

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Comment by Joan Denoo on July 4, 2019 at 1:00am

"What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us? and am I, therefore, called upon to bring our humble offering to the national altar, and to confess the benefits and express devout gratitude for the blessings resulting from your independence to us?…

"I say it with a sad sense of the disparity between us. I am not included within the pale of glorious anniversary! Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice, are not enjoyed in common. The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence, bequeathed by your fathers, is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought light and healing to you, has brought stripes and death to me. This Fourth July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn…

"What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer; a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are, to Him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy — a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour."

Frederick Douglass,  “What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?”, July 5, 1852, in Corinthian Hall, Rochester, New York, addressing the Rochester Ladies' Anti-Slavery Society.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 3, 2019 at 11:26pm

The slaughter of the innocent ones condoned in the bible:

"After this, David subdued and humbled the Philistines by conquering Gath, their largest city. David also conquered the land of Moab. He made the people lie down on the ground in a row, and he measured them off in groups with a length of rope. He measured off two groups to be executed for every one group to be spared. The Moabites who were spared became David’s servants and brought him tribute money.

~ 2 Samuel 8:1-2 NLT 

I think Trump's cruelty and lack of compassion mirrors that of David in the bible 

Comment by Loren Miller on July 3, 2019 at 7:45am

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There are precious few religions out there that actually want to DISCUSS their beliefs with the consideration that they might be mistaken ... mostly because that's the first step toward said religion becoming extinct.

Comment by Grinning Cat on July 2, 2019 at 12:44pm

If it takes the threat of hell to make you a moral person, then you are not at all moral, you are just a coward who responds well to threats.
-- Leo Wolf

(as shared by Loren a few years ago in "Mr. Deity and the Humorless Atheist". It certainly encapsulates what's scary about people who take their religion as their only basis for "morality"!)

Related: what Brian Dalton said about integrity, here paraphrased by Idaho Spud:

To say that you need some big being standing over you, saying you better do this, you better do that, or you're going to hell....If you want your kids to be good for goodness sake, that's not it.  That's being good to get the brownie points to get you where you want to go in the next life.  That's not creating a person of true value and integrity.  That's a person living in Fear.  And a person living in fear is a person who can be easily manipulated to do great evil.  We've seen it throughout history.  It's not in dispute.

Comment by Plinius on July 2, 2019 at 7:35am

and that's what makes them so scary, they could do anything at all; murder the children, shoot passers-by or they could decide to be a nice neighbour...

Comment by Loren Miller on July 2, 2019 at 5:59am

The sad fact is that many of them don't want to live their own lives.  They're too afraid that they're going to displease their god in some obscure way and incur his wrath, so they're all about "Jesus, take the wheel."

The problem, of course, is that there is not only no Jesus, there's no wheel, either.  There's just THEM, even as there's just US.

Comment by Loren Miller on July 1, 2019 at 7:10pm

That's a terrific statement of your own, GC, thank you!

Comment by Grinning Cat on July 1, 2019 at 2:20pm

Reading Loren's quotes from last week, especially "But here steps in Satan...the first freethinker...", I recalled seeing this on a button, also attributed to Mikhail Bakunin:

I shall continue to be an impossible person so long as those who are now possible remain possible.

It's definitely high time to dethrone "obedience" from its pedestal of virtue.

Loren wrote:

I am no more down with Satan than I am with Yahweh, but any inducement to freethought and iconoclasm in a world where conformity and groupthink is entirely too prevalent is more than welcome to me.

And I'll add: I remember hearing about the idea of "avatars", godlike fictional characters who (unlike Santa Claus, the Geico gecko, or Uncle Sam) know that they're fictions, whose job is to reach our social/emotional brains and speak for the best interests of not just one company or nation but humanity as a whole. I too am fine with Satan as a liberating character.

Comment by Loren Miller on July 1, 2019 at 5:23am

To obtain the suffrage of the people it was not necessary for a politician to have a superior education or a brilliant mind. Rather, he must be able to sense the common man's discontents, his economic grievances, his prejudices, and his dreams. The successful politician in the 1830's and 1840's was, as a rule, a vigorous or eloquent stump speaker, a man who could devise popular slogans and organize political workers, and who gave the common people a feeling of their own importance.
-- Clement Eaton, Henry Clay and the Art of American Politics

So here I am this morning, just got up and beginning to think about a quote for the group this morning and THIS falls into my lap from Delancey Place! Makes me think how little things have changed in 200 years.

Comment by Loren Miller on July 1, 2019 at 5:12am

Hell of an idea, Joan.  Makes me wonder why NO GOD EVER INVENTED has ever done such a thing!

 

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