Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

Discussion Forum

Sam Harris on Morality and the Christian God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller 8 hours ago. 2 Replies

The debate between Sam Harris and William Lane Craig at Notre Dame in 2011 was particularly notable for one particular rebuttal by Harris to Craig, well into the debate.  Those 10 or so minutes…Continue

Big Bang vs Electric Universe, Lawrence Krauss' response

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Loren Miller yesterday. 2 Replies

I wrote to Lawrence Krauss during the discussion of Big Bang vs Electric Universe:"Thurs, 5:54 PM, Lawrence, I belong to Atheist Nexus and a rather ugly debate began about the Big Bang Theory. One…Continue

The Oneida Perfectionists

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Loren Miller May 17. 4 Replies

The Oneida Perfectionists had a vision of utopian life, and they structured their communities according to ideological similarities.1. First, it believed that its members had entered into an…Continue

Tags: communist, authoritarian, leadership, utopia, free-love

Christianity Founded by a Murderer

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Alan Perlman Apr 21. 4 Replies

Constantine did what?As he gained power, he became more suspicious of even family and friends. He ordered them to be put to death by various means.MaximianHis father-in-lawHe impelled to hang…Continue

Tags: baptized, escape, guilt, be, repent

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Comment by Loren Miller on April 18, 2018 at 6:28am

Joan, relating to your experience with your grandchildren:

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
-- John F. Kennedy

The poor make some uncomfortable, because they are a reminder that anyone may be one or two random events or poor choices away from that very status and that some have resisted doing anything about their plight purely to further solidify their own position.  Greed and a lack of empathy are their hallmarks, added to an utter lack of qualification to deal with actually being IN the position of being poor.

When avarice grows that mean, I seriously wonder if such a society can survive ... and yeah, I'm talking about US.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 17, 2018 at 3:11pm

My teaching agenda was always self-reliance, taking an active role in improving the quality of their lives, and teaching the skills they needed to pick themselves up and take responsibility for their well-being. I taught reading, writing, arithmetic, nutrition, cooking, gardening. At a housing project in Washington, D.C. the pre-school age children helped me dig up garden areas, plant seeds, and grow their food. That was a wonderful experience to see their joy as they ate the fruits of their efforts. The adults joined in and felt pride as they put food on their tables that they grew. 

I didn't know about permaculture then, but it provides a simple process of building soil, growing food, preserving the excess while enjoying fresh foods from the garden. The greening of the housing project resulted in food for their tables. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 17, 2018 at 3:07pm

I sent the photo of the starving mother nursing her starving child with an explanation of wealth and poverty to my grandchildren, ranging in age from 10 to 18. My son, the father of two boys, ages 12 & 14 rebuked me for sending such a scene to his two sons. One of them opened the photo on his iPhone at school and his friends teased him about it. When I found out about his experience I asked why teachers didn't guide the boys to an understanding of the meaning of poverty and starvation. Why did my son not make it clear that there are children in this world who do not go to private schools, have private music lessons and soccer teams, and they do not have families that can protect them and feed them and provide health and education for them?

The teachers and my son failed to help the boys process this information. Craig knows I have always been involved with educating the poor and I took him and his brother and sister to children's homes, housing projects in WA. D.C., and homeless shelters in Juarez, Mexico when they were younger than his boys. My children knew about hunger and homelessness because they witnessed it as children and helped me as I provided education for the poorest of the poor. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 17, 2018 at 9:40am

Why indeed?

Comment by Loren Miller on April 17, 2018 at 7:29am

If I could stop a man from raping a child, I would. That's the difference between me and your God.
-- Tracie Harris

To me, this simple statement gives inarguable confirmation either to the impotence or villainy of any god that would claim dominance over this planet.  If its creation is moved to improve its lot and stop wrongdoing, why isn't the creator similarly moved?

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 17, 2018 at 12:29am

"The major problem facing our terrestrial environment is human over-population. If we could cut the population density, then the waste products of human enterprise, including carbon and DDT and acid water and methane from sheep, would be cut along with it. That’s the core of the problem, the actual cause of our headache, and taking an aspirin doesn’t cure it. Anthropogenic Global Warming is a myth feeding off our collectively guilty political conscience."

Hilton Ratcliffe, How “Socks” began, http://www.hiltonratcliffe.com/how-socks-began/

If Ratcliffe doesn't believe Homo sapiens' activities cause global warming, then why does he point out that reduction of the human population would cut waste products of human enterprise, carbon, DDT, acid water, and methane?

From my perspective, the exponential growth of human population produces waste products of human enterprise, carbon, DDT, acid water, and methane! Anthropogenic Global Warming is not "a myth feeding off our collectively guilty political conscience."

We know the Earth cannot sustain the assault on its resources, we do not distribute food so that all living things have enough nutrition even though we can grow enough for all living people, and we pollute our rivers, lakes and drinking water sources. 

We experience a justifiable guilty political conscience. 

Taking aspirin to solve this problem will not reach the desired end. We have to change the ways we manage our resources, find better ways of distributing food, shelter, healthcare, and education so that people can rise above mere survival. We need regulations to control the misuse of chemicals and to regulate banks and financial institutions. 

These are not myths. Nor is this: 

Comment by Loren Miller on April 16, 2018 at 5:44am

The position of the Atheist is a clear and reasonable one. I know nothing about ‘God’ and therefore I do not believe in Him or in it; what you tell me about your God is self‐contradictory, and therefore incredible. I do not deny ‘God,’ which is an unknown tongue to me; I do deny your God, who is an impossibility. I am without God.
― Annie Besant

And I'm right behind you, Annie.

Comment by Loren Miller on April 16, 2018 at 5:42am

As for my own $0.02 worth, the way the haves and the have-nots are stratifying, between the 1% and what remains of the middle class, I can't escape the feeling that, unless something is done to rectify the situation, US culture is beginning to more closely resemble that of France in 1795.

NOT a good thing.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 16, 2018 at 2:50am

Given the reality of the decline of the social health of the working class and the obscene growth of wealth in the top 1%, how can one even discuss the idea of a "Partnership Society?" 

Yes, we are a war-making people. However, we have brains, intelligence, imagination, and hope for a better world for all living things on the planet. We can be a peace-loving people. 

How?

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 16, 2018 at 2:39am

Affordable housing

Alcohol-related traffic fatalities

Child poverty

High school completion

Infant mortality

Teenage births

Unemployment

Wages

Age 65-plus poverty

Child abuse

Health care coverage

Inequality in family income

Life expectancy

Teenage drug use

Violent crime

Youth suicide

This study defines the social wellbeing of the U.S. from 1970 to 1998. Production of goods and services rise as Social health declines over the years. 

How do we measure "standard of living?"

~Marc Miringoff, director of the Fordham University Institute for Innovation in Social Policy and 

~ Marque-Luisa Miringoff, professor of sociology at Vallar College. 

 

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