Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

Discussion Forum

"If Right Doesn't Matter, We're Lost." (Adam Schiff)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Feb 1. 3 Replies

This is a bit rushed, but I wanted to post Adam Schiff's closing statement to the impeachment trial on 24 January 2020.  This is potent stuff, and it speaks to Schiff's integrity and determination to…Continue

Tags: statement, impeachment, Adam Schiff

On authority, obedience, and "liberal" vs. "conservative" values

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 18, 2019. 2 Replies

Last week Loren shared this quotation in the group comments:But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial…Continue

Tags: politics, purity, loyalty, liberal, conservative

The Founding Myth: A Striking Quote

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Nov 4, 2019. 4 Replies

Over the last couple of weeks, I have been reading Andrew L. Seidel’s excellent book, The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism is UN-AMERICAN. Barely four chapters in, Seidel has already…Continue

Tags: rights, The Founding Myth, Seidel, Andrew

"Mr. President ... I Don't Work For You"

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Aug 31, 2019. 13 Replies

There has been a major shot across President Donald Trump's bow and it came, believe it or not, from Fox News.  Specifically, it came from Fox reporter and commentator Neil Cavuto, in response to a…Continue

Tags: Neil Cavuto, Fox News, Donald Trump

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Comment by Grinning Cat on February 1, 2020 at 11:40am

British musician and activist Tom Robinson, who identified as gay for quite some time (though liking women as well), then rather "inconveniently" fell in love with a woman and settled down (starting a brief stint in "tabloid hell" as papers proclaimed he had "turned straight"), suggests that our labels shouldn't be a big deal:

The main thing is don't worry too much about defining yourself as "someone-who-likes-boys" or "someone-who-likes-girls"... the society we live in is WAY too keen to stick labels on everyone and human reality just isn't like that [...]

For what it's worth - I've been to bed with men who were straight - to all intents and purposes. They never did it with another man before or since. It was women they looked at and fancied in the street. But in my case something just happened between that particular man and me at that particular moment. We felt close, we felt attracted and it seemed the most natural thing in the world that we end up making love. At that moment gender just seemed kind of irrelevant. [...]

So don't be too worried about definitions. You're not "gay" or "bi" or "straight".... you're RICHARD. Just look beyond "what sex is this person" and ask whether you like the person themself, whatever sex they are. Be yourself, whoever that may turn out to be - and don't let *anyone* else tell you how to live your life.

--Tom Robinson
(Just a few snippets; see the full response at "BOTHWAYS.COM: Bi Curious?")

Comment by Loren Miller on February 1, 2020 at 11:33am

Whether a choice or a biological imperative, alternative sexuality harms NO ONE ... and does not deserve the castigation it gets from the Religious Reich.

Comment by Plinius on February 1, 2020 at 11:22am

I found out that for some of us being gay is a choice.

Comment by Grinning Cat on February 1, 2020 at 11:14am

I used to say that if being gay were a choice, it would be a morally neutral one, on par with, say, learning to play the tuba. But with population pressure (on course to over 11 billion people by the end of the century!) being a direct systemic cause of massive fossil fuel use, hence global warming (global climate destabilization), hence flooding, droughts, reduced farming productivity, famine, more extreme weather and more extreme natural disasters of all kinds, migration crises, wars, and on and on... if some of us could change or limit our attractions and desires to those that would never involve making babies, that would arguably be a positive moral choice!

(In the real world, LARCs -- long-acting reversible contraceptives -- are a Good Thing for men who like women and women who like men.)

--me

Comment by Grinning Cat on February 1, 2020 at 11:06am

Many religious believers remain with whichever religion they were subjected to as an accident of birth, whichever religion they were indoctrinated into in childhood -- but adopting, changing, or leaving (as with some of our present company) a religion can be a choice.

Quite a few churches and other groups are overjoyed to help you leave your false religion and join their true one.

--me

Comment by Loren Miller on February 1, 2020 at 7:21am

Understand that sexual orientation is not a matter of choice, but your religion is.
-- Aron Ra

This is one which the evangelicals just refuse to get, and the harm they have done to the LGBTQ community as a result is incalculable.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2020 at 9:44pm

Power doesn’t corrupt people,

People corrupt power. 

~ William Gaddis, Like A Storm - Pure Evil (Official Music Video)

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2020 at 5:16pm

"Is religion delusion?

Definitions of delusion are:

"A false belief held despite strong evidence against it"; 

"An unshakable belief in something untrue";

"A belief that is not true: a false idea".


"When you look into the definition further you find that in common usage the word delusion is often reserved for the more restricted medical/psychiatric use; that is, false beliefs produced by mental illnesses.

"In this page I hold that strongly held religious beliefs, those that plainly go against reason and the available evidence, while not being psychotic, should also be called delusional.

"This page written 2018/02/18 – ©
Contact: email daveclarkecb@yahoo.com (David K. Clarke)

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2020 at 5:04pm

"W}e ARE unequal to each other – in perceptiveness, abilities, biases, motivation, race, gender, sexual orientation – "every parameter one could apply to a human being. "

The task of government is to treat each Homo sapiens equally, and open doors of opportunity to all.

How?

By laws that look only at the individual as having the rights of protection as well as the responsibilities of citizenship; 

by law enforcement that holds citizens accountable, equally; 

and by courts that administer the laws and duties according to the rules. 

Comment by Loren Miller on January 31, 2020 at 4:44pm

Not sure where that came from ... but yeah, I think Forbidden Planet IS worth it.  It's a bit goofy and dated in places, but I think enough of it to have gotten a DVD copy of it some years ago.

 

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