Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

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The Founding Myth: A Striking Quote

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Nov 4. 4 Replies

Over the last couple of weeks, I have been reading Andrew L. Seidel’s excellent book, The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism is UN-AMERICAN. Barely four chapters in, Seidel has already…Continue

Tags: rights, The Founding Myth, Seidel, Andrew

"Mr. President ... I Don't Work For You"

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Aug 31. 13 Replies

There has been a major shot across President Donald Trump's bow and it came, believe it or not, from Fox News.  Specifically, it came from Fox reporter and commentator Neil Cavuto, in response to a…Continue

Tags: Neil Cavuto, Fox News, Donald Trump

On authority, obedience, and "liberal" vs. "conservative" values

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 1. 1 Reply

Last week Loren shared this quotation in the group comments:But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial…Continue

Tags: politics, purity, loyalty, liberal, conservative

On Emotion, Vulnerability, and a Flawed God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Craigart14 Jun 1. 6 Replies

On 31 May, 2018, Joan Denoo posted a most excellent quote from David Hume: That quote was well deserving of a response, which is the following:The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever…Continue

Tags: flawed, vulnerable, emotion, god

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Comment by Joan Denoo on April 29, 2019 at 4:40pm

Climate Denialists Who Still Blame the Sun

It is far past time that we stop allowing climate change deniers to impose their beliefs on the rest of the Earth! Yes, there are phases of the sun cycles; yes, there are natural events taking place that pollutes our air, water, and soil. However, how can people who burn fossil fuels for whatever reason, get away with failure to take action to get off fossil fuels ? How can people who profit from the mining of coal, drilling for oil and gas, continue to act as though they had no profit to justify? How can consumers who choose wood, gasoline, natural gas, and coal not recognize the consequences of their choices to burn fossil fuels?

We need to start naming names, holding individuals and corporations, and government accountable for lack of getting off fossil fuels. 

We don't have to be violent; we have to be specific. 

 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on April 29, 2019 at 3:45pm

"I watched countless videos of wildfires ripping through suburbia, and cannot forget the little girl’s voice in the background of one shaky mobile phone recording asking her daddy if she was going to catch fire." Liv Grant

 I worked on David Attenborough’s documentary. The grim reality gave...

Comment by Loren Miller on April 29, 2019 at 5:44am

Melisandre: What do we say to the god of death?
Arya Stark: Not today
-- Game of Thrones, S8E3

Since GoT started nine years ago, I have particularly enjoyed watching the evolution of Arya Stark, beautifully played by Maisie Williams. That investment paid off at something just sort of 10:30 PM, EDT last night, when Arya likely saved all of Westoros in one stroke.

Way to go, Arya.

Comment by Loren Miller on April 28, 2019 at 6:15am

Thus mystery [the divinity of Jesus Christ] is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
-- John Adams

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
-- Voltaire

Nice matched pair, I think.

Comment by Loren Miller on April 27, 2019 at 5:44am

Pray, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner, confessedly unworthy.
-- Ambrose Bierce

On a lark this morning, I decided to go in search of Ambrose Bierce quotes and came up with the above, among quite a few others. Sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it? [grin!]

Comment by Loren Miller on April 26, 2019 at 5:50am

Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.
-- Abraham Lincoln

Pretty sure that Trump knows nothing about the above quote, and I would have to wonder about Mitch McConnell as well ... but then this is what happens when people prioritize themselves over the position they hold.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 25, 2019 at 9:28pm

~ Woodworth, Whitney (13 August 2016). "Rape and Marriage: A look back at the Rideout case". Statesman Journal. Retrieved 14 January 2018.

OK! ancient tradition, modern laws, the attitudes, beliefs, customs, traditions, and values give a husband the right to rape his wife ... until Mrs. Rideout said, ”No!"

What role did philosophy play in causing people to stop and think about what husbands raping wives really means? 

Do you think the philosophy played a part in the change of that ancient law?

In any event, a law was changed, then more laws, and eventually the nation made it illegal for a husband to have sex with his wife without her consent:

In the 1984 New York Court of Appeals case of People v. Liberta, judge Sol Wachtler stated that 'a marriage license should not be viewed as a license for a husband to forcibly rape his wife with impunity. A married woman has the same right to control her own body as does an unmarried woman.'"

~ People v. Liberta 64 N.Y.2d 152, 474 N.E.2d 567, 485 N.Y.S.2d 207(1984).

Philosophy did not follow the law; law followed a change in thinking. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 25, 2019 at 9:19pm

Philosophy? Let's take a real-world example. 

A husband rapes a wife and denies her plea of  "NO!"

Husband defends his right to sex whenever and wherever he wants it. 

Family chastised wife for saying "No" because she must submit to husband's will. 

Religious community supports husbands claim because she is his property. 

In a lawsuit, she loses because "husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind to her husband which she cannot retract".

~ Sir Matthew Hale (1609-1676). 1736, The History of the Pleas of the Crown

Comment by Cane Kostovski on April 25, 2019 at 12:59pm

I agree Philosophy is the lazy scientist's religion. The study of language.

Definition of philosophy

2a: pursuit of wisdom
b: a search for a general understanding of values and reality by chiefly speculative rather than observational means
c: an analysis of the grounds of and concepts expressing fundamental beliefs


They can tell us what they think about what is in the world, about what we already know through science. Opinions!

Comment by Loren Miller on April 25, 2019 at 7:22am

Some people criticize philosophy as pointless navel-gazing. But there is a lot more to it than just that. There’s also a lot of beard-stroking: and to my experience, quite a lot of arrogant condescension too.
-- Aron Ra

Oh, do I agree with this! It reminds me of something out of a favorite book of mine:

Then there's philosophy – supposed to tackle everything. Does it? All any philosopher ever comes out with is what he walked in with – except for self-deluders who prove their assumptions by their conclusions.
-- Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land

Any attempt at analysis without evidence which ties back to reality is a waste of time, and while I am no expert, that is philosophy in a cocked hat to me.

 

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