Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

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Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 14. 2 Replies

The word “Permaculture” is the combination of the two words “permanent” and “agriculture.” It is a method of agricultural philosophy that allows gardeners to create and sustain growing food in a way…Continue

Tags: production, shelter, food, permaculture, Mollison

On Emotion, Vulnerability, and a Flawed God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Sep 10. 5 Replies

On 31 May, 2018, Joan Denoo posted a most excellent quote from David Hume: That quote was well deserving of a response, which is the following:The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever…Continue

Tags: flawed, vulnerable, emotion, god

Will McAvoy's Rant: "America Is NOT the World's Greatest Country"

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 25. 3 Replies

Aaron Sorkin has a habit of swinging for the fences when he writes political commentary as entertainment for television.  This was first evinced in the network television series, The West Wing, and…Continue

Tags: The Newsroom, Will McAvoy, Aaron Sorkin

Ingersoll Day August 11th

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Aug 12. 2 Replies

Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899)"When I became convinced that the universe is natural, that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood…Continue

Tags: fearless, joyous, freedom, Day, agnostic

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Comment by Loren Miller on October 4, 2018 at 7:07am

The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter.
-- Mark Twain

If religion could laugh at itself, I suspect we wouldn't be having the issues with it that we have at the moment. Insofar as I can tell, though, religion has NO sense of humor.

Comment by Loren Miller on October 3, 2018 at 2:40pm

Very damned good point, GC. Consent is missing from the bible as surely as any mention of individual rights is, and likely for the same reason.

Comment by Grinning Cat on October 3, 2018 at 1:50pm

Great line -- getting one's repressive morals out of the Bible and knowing "as much about functional morals as a cat knows about calculus"!

Speaking of which:

Consent is nowhere in the Bible. Its first and highest virtue is obedience.

--me

Do what God / the king / the priests / your father says, or else. Even being willing to murder your son if GodSaidSo (Abraham and Isaac), or going through with murdering your daughter because of a vow with unintended consequences (Jephthah and his unnamed daughter) -- those are just fine in Biblical morality. And it's not just the Hebrew Scriptures / Old Testament (which aren't binding on devout Christians. Unless they are. The Bible has it both ways). Abandoning your family to follow a self-proclaimed God person, or even maiming yourself to avoid a victimless "sin" because GodSaidSo, are fine.

It's significant that adultery in the Bible is not treated as a violation of a spouse's trust in an exclusive relationship, but rather as a property crime, an "adulteration", a dilution of a woman's value to her husband in making babies of known paternity. A married man could sleep around, if he found a woman to do it with. (He could even take another wife... or hundreds of them; but heaven help a woman who wanted a second husband, or a first wife!)

Rape too is treated as a property crime: a betrothed woman is considered equally guilty if it happened in the city because she presumably "did not cry for help." A woman who's "a virgin and is not betrothed" has to marry her rapist. The fatherhood of the babies is known, all is well.

Speaking of which, in one of the foundational stories of Christianity, which inspired the T-shirt "Abstinence: 99.99% effective", Mary wasn't given a choice in whether or not to get pregnant from God and give birth to Jesus. (Would a free choice have even been possible?) The angel simply told Mary "This is how it's going to be." Sounds an awful lot like human rapists and abusers!

Off my soapbox for now... there's plenty about the immorality of the Bible at various websites, including Evil Bible.

Comment by Patricia on October 3, 2018 at 1:28pm

Yeah, minimum 10% taxes......

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on October 3, 2018 at 7:16am

"necrodestination" Great word! As Zappa also subtly noted, "Tax the fuck out of the churches."

Comment by Loren Miller on October 3, 2018 at 5:57am

Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.
-- Robert A. Heinlein, The Notebooks of Lazarus Long

And let's remember, Mrs. Grundy likely got her repressive morals out of the bible and likely knows about as much about functional morals as a cat knows about calculus!

Comment by Patricia on October 3, 2018 at 12:59am

Comment by Plinius on October 2, 2018 at 11:49pm

Even if you're talking to yourself, here are people listening and reading.

Comment by Loren Miller on October 2, 2018 at 6:44pm

I don't think we can lay everything at the feet of unconscious thoughts alone, Bertold.  It really is the whole ball of wax, conscious and unconscious thoughts which may form the foundation of our current situation as well as our own selves.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on October 2, 2018 at 4:08pm
". . . our unconscious beliefs about ourselves and the world dictate the kind of world we live in and the kind of people we are."

~Gary Lachman
 

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