Atheists who love Science!

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  • AgeOfAtheists14

  • TNT666

    Disappearing glaciers of Africa, good read in Mother Jones:

  • AgeOfAtheists14

    this science of misinformation is propaganda 101?

    and a side of corporate cntrl

  • TNT666

    blind link... dead link... grrr

  • AgeOfAtheists14

    whoa check this out:

    nations' govs? b hungry for that scientific daytah aye?

  • tom sarbeck

    If you keep informed on black holes and their behavior, we have for years known of their gamma-ray jets that emanate in nearly opposite directions.

    If nothing can escape a black hole's gravity, where do the gamma-ray jets originate? Do we rename them dark holes?

  • Ken Perrott

    Tom, black holes are often associated with stars or a ring of material feeding into the hole. These jets are coming from the surrounding material not from the hole itself.

    Observations of black holes often relies on observing this material.
  • Mick Ohrberg

    Indeed - this is exactly what quasars are; giant black holes with giant accretion disks. The material in the accretion disks rubs against all the other material, heats up and starts to glow, effectively. Since the speeds are to phenomenal, the heat gets absolutely fantastically intense. Plasma, as the result of the heat, that's moving generates a magnetic field, and the magnetic field has two poles. Just as energy gets IN at the poles of the earth's magnetic field, energy gets OUT at the poles of the black hole's magnetic field. Note that these two beams are steady - not sweeping through space like from a neutron star, pulsar or magnetar, since the magnetic field from a black hole's accretion disk doesn't "wobble" the way the magnetic field does on a neutron star, pulsar or magnetar.

  • AgeOfAtheists14

    Wow, this is bad ass... dunno how else to put it. Up there w/Tesla motor co.!~

    Researchers have clocked light beams made of "twisted" waves carrying 2.5 terabits of data - the capacity of more than 66 DVDs - per second.

    The technique relies on manipulating what is known as the orbital angular momentum of the waves

    and freaks still wanna do god wtf.. waste...

  • Idaho Spud

    In August, Mars Rover Curiosity will have one hell of a ride known as the "7 minutes of terror."

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

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  • Idaho Spud

  • Rebekah

    I want to try to explain to a non-medical person the negligible amounts of formaldehyde and Triton X in the flu vaccine I give. Are there other everyday things anyone can point me to, that a non-vaccinated person might get similar exposure or worse? So I can explain that the vaccines aren't full of chemicals? Thanks for your help!
  • Julie Carter

    Rebekah, I was going to point you to Science Based Medicine also. Best source of info I've found on vaccines, unless you want to read a book. Paul Offit's book is the one I read recently, so you might be able to look up his articles to see if he mentions those ingredients in particular online somewhere.

  • Rebekah

    Thanks guys!
  • AgeOfAtheists14

    This caused me to have one of those brain-exploding moments.. in a good way:

  • AgeOfAtheists14

    aka inspiration.. 3d printers are a very inspiring invention imho

  • AgeOfAtheists14

  • Tammy S

    Just too disturbing not to share... Reposted from *Diaspora

  • Diane

    I am retired from teaching. One year I got a new student in my class who had been home schooled the previous year. Her mom told me all of the things she had taught her daughter including astrology!

    I found it remarkable evidence of one breathtakingly ignorant home teacher. Tammy's post dismays me so much in many ways, including the fact that the particular mom's ignorance was/is not remarkable at all.

    How daunting it feels right now to arouse the public about the reality of global warming if they start from this kind of knowledge base as big $$$$ propaganda swirls around them reassuring them it is nothing to worry about and no action is needed. Arrrrgh
  • tom sarbeck

    There are some very nice people who want children but who have genetic conditions that result in their children not surviving even to birth, let alone to adulthood.

    Here, a woman gave her daughter beliefs that might result in the girl's not making it in life.

    In the first case, Ma and Pa Nature do what they do. In the second case, the girl's mother did what she did. Life goes on.

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

  • Idaho Spud

    That seems to be the way the Science news cycle works.  I'd laugh if I weren't crying.

  • TNT666

    In the name of the "love of science" turn on CBC Television right now and watch a very good analysis of the "expert myth"

    ... experts in economy and management, WHICH ARE NOT SCIENCES, and whose experts are NOT

    ... experts in nutrition (for all those who insist on posting miracle health cures here) who are NOT, and nutritionists who have meaningless diplomas.

    Characteristics that qualify people to be "experts": Height and the watch they're wearing!

    An excellent investigative piece, with Ben Goldacre, a wine-maker-expert-debunker, and various other critics and debunkers.

    Full episode available on this site for Canadians, for others, I don't know: The Trouble with Experts

    One of the show's best lines: Experts are the new priests/shamans... and they lie just as much!

  • Chris

    say's it's only available in Canada, but it's on youtube

  • Idaho Spud

    Thanks TNT666 and Chris G.  Love that video.

    It points-out my thoughts on snooty “Wine experts”, “Art experts”, “Health experts”, “Business experts”, “Management experts”, “Financial experts”, “Relationship experts”, Happiness experts”,  and “Toenail-clipping experts”.  That is, they’re usually wrong.  In other words, they’re full of male Bovine excrement!

    Many years ago, I decided that most “experts” were not to be trusted.  Mostly because they were contradicted by other “experts”.

    According to this video, the people that study predictions say the more certain someone is of their answers, the more often they’re wrong.  The person that is not confident of their answers are more likely to be right.

    One “expert” teaching others how to become an “expert” advises them to use Buzzwords instead of plain language.  Buzzwords are things I’ve hated since I first started hearing them.  

    The first one I can remember hating was “action-item”.  I asked my boss what that meant.  He said it means “assignment”.  I said why confuse people by making-up a new word or words that mean the same thing as an old word that everyone understands?  He had no reasonable reply.

    One person said “essentially, chaos is very difficult to live with”.  That I can agree with.  I want to know how things really work.  I want to know the truth.  I love the truth.  I hate it that I can never be sure of what is true.

    Well…..there are some things that have been proven to be true by science, at least proven beyond any reasonable doubt.  But there are so many things in life that I can’t say that about.  It becomes very distressing at times.  

    Nevertheless, I refuse to have belief or faith in anyone’s “facts”, hypothesis, or philosophy, unless it’s been published in a peer-reviewed journal, and most scientists are convinced it’s true.  But, when that happens, I accept it as true.  I still do not have “faith” or “belief”.

    And if someone says “trust me”, I’m going to run the other way as fast as my wobbly legs will go!

  • tom sarbeck

    Spud, You might enjoy "Godel's Proof", a small book by the German mathematician Kurt Godel. He did for mathematicians what Heisenberg did for physicists: made them uncertain.

  • Chris

    Another thing wrong with experts is they are often paid to present political propaganda. The Koch brothers supply many of these who dispute climate change, present false evidence of failing school, that Social Security is bankrupt and the only way to save it is to raise the retirement age, or that medicare is unsustainable. The do this with the agenda of privatizing schools, ending regulation, and reducing taxes.

  • Grinning Cat

    ... false evidence of failing school ... with the agenda of privatizing schools ...

    A tangent, but relevant to "neocon / religious right agendas":

    This summer the Republican Party of Texas opposed the teaching of critical thinking skills in their party platform because they "have the purpose of challenging the student's fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."

    There's much more scary stuff at a Washington Post article, including the full education section of their platform.

    (A left-wing conspiracy theorist could postulate that the Koch brothers et al. want a two-tiered educational system designed to leave the 99.9% unthinking and submissive!)

  • Diane

    Thanks, Grinning Cat. I read the whole Texas Republican's education platform. Stunning. As Stephen Colbert said, it calls for repeal of the Enlightenment. (Direct link below)

    The best thing about it is that lets the cat out of the bag, by putting the specific, detailed "education" agenda of the right wing in plain sight. I think this is representative of the plan other right wing extremists have for national education policy.
  • Diane

    More highlights from the Texas Republican party's education platform:

    "We support school subjects with emphasis on the Judeo-Christian principles upon which America was founded and which form the basis of America’s legal, political and economic systems."

    "We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills" ...[which have] have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."

    "We support objective teaching and equal treatment of all sides of scientific theories. We believe theories such as life origins and environmental change should be taught as challengeable scientific theories subject to change as new data is produced. Teachers and students should be able to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of these theories openly and without fear of retribution or discrimination of any kind."

    "Religious Freedom in Public Schools – We urge school administrators and officials to inform Texas school students specifically of their First Amendment rights to pray and engage in religious speech, individually or in groups, on school property without government interference. "

    "Classroom deal with disciplinary problems. Corporal punishment is effective..."

    We support "child-centered school funding options which fund the student, not schools or districts, to allow maximum freedom of choice in public, private, or PAROCHIAL education for all children."
  • Grinning Cat

    Apropos, from Austin Cline's series of satirical posters representing Religious Right beliefs:








  • Idaho Spud

    Wow!  The Texas Republican party's education platform is incredibly horrible.

  • Steph S.

    The Republican Party sucks in all states - yuck!
  • Chris

    Romney panders to to the anti-science Republican base with a

    Global Warming 'Joke.'

    Exclusive: At the Republican National Convention and on the campaign trail, Mitt Romney has come up with a new laugh line, mocking President Obama’s policies to slow global warming. In doing so, Romney distorts a quote from an Obama speech in 2008 about ocean levels, reports Robert Parry.

    By Robert Parry

    Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney has offered few details about how he would run the U.S. government, but he has made clear one thing about his environmental views: he has contempt for President Barack Obama’s efforts to promote alternative energy and combat global warming.

    Fitting with the new Republican orthodoxy that climate-change science is either a hoax or hysteria, Romney has incorporated into his speeches a joke about Obama’s interest in protecting the environment, a sure-fire laugh line for the GOP faithful.

    In his acceptance speech on Thursday, Romney said, “President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans (pause for mocking laughter) and heal the planet. MY promise is to help you and your family.”

    Romney apparently was so thrilled with the success of his new “joke” that he repeated it while on a post-convention campaign swing. In Cincinnati, Ohio, on Saturday, he elicited more laughs from the crowd when he claimed Obama “famously said he was going to slow the rise of the oceans.” Romney added, “Our promise to you is this: we’re going to help the American people.”

    Not surprisingly, Romney’s recitation of what Obama said isn’t correct. Obama never said “he was going to slow the rise of the oceans,” but rather he said – in his June 4, 2008, victory speech after clinching the Democratic nomination – that “the American people,” i.e. by changing policies and leaders, would look back at this moment as the time “the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.”

    But more important than Romney’s rhetorical exaggeration is that his ridicule of global-warming again counterpoises that longer-term existential threat against the short-term interests of today’s voters, suggesting that President Romney would ignore the former in favor of the latter.

    more here

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

  • Idaho Spud

    Excellent.  Thanks Ruth.

  • Tony Carroll

  • AgeOfAtheists14

    first vid ends w/ "..proof man has something to do w/climate.."


  • Idaho Spud

    Tony, I like.

  • Idaho Spud

    Oldest message in a bottle found.  It was a Scottish Scientific research bottle released in 1914

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

  • Joan Denoo

    "Science Ruining Everything Since 1543"  I Love it; going into my "Share" file. Thanks Ruth 

  • Tony Carroll

    Love it Ruth. I'm gonna grab it also. Thanks.

  • Idaho Spud

  • borisfrank

    I know this isnt the dating group but I am very interested in talking to a female who is also a working scientist. Alas, I may not get that chance to be one but I really like scientifically minded females more then anything.

  • Steph S.

    Ruth, Tony and Idaho Spud those are great pictures. Playing catch up here.
  • AgeOfAtheists14

    "secular rest of the week" indeed haaaa!

  • TNT666

    Well Boris, I think you're gonna have a hard time :)
    Lots of armchair scientists everywhere though.
    After my B.Sc. in biology I went on to my M.Sc. in zoology, but due to personal circumstance, I did not defend my thesis, I am therefore a "frustrated" biologist, as most interesting employment in biology requires graduate degrees. So I teach science, and work in a cross of paleo and tourism.
    As for dating... I've 100% given up! Not enough people with a science education around, and it's probably the only kind of person I could  truly happily date. I'd like to disagree with myself, but having a higher education in a real science seems to be a real nutbreaker feature for getting along with people!
    Many scientists are pretty independantly minded people, and with the soon to be 8 billion on the planet, I see no justification in pairing up.

    But I wish you every luck :)