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  • Joan Denoo

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

  • Prog Rock Girl

    *swoon* I love Xena!

  • Joan Denoo

    TNT666, I am surprised I am writing this, however, I agree with you. Life is so much happier, for me, when I don't live with a man living  in the house. I love men and want them in my life but not as a house partner. Just too many things about men drive me crazy.

    A tour of Ireland with a group of feminists with Padregin McGillicuddy as our guide revealed some interesting things about pre-Christian Ireland that you may enjoy reading. Reading this script of one of her radio shows makes me feel like Pady is right beside me telling me this story in person. 

    The Pat' Ri-Arch Revealed: A Feminist View of St. Patrick
    by Padraigin McGillicuddy

    1981

    "Under the Brehon Laws, marriage was a wonderfully flexible institution. Not a hint of the sacrosanct, it was a contract only, and the laws were quite specific on who could enter into such a contract. Excluded were men who were barren, impotent, property-less, very fat (being too obese to do IT) and indiscreet men who babbled the secrets of the woman's bed. Now you know women had a hand in devising that list! Very similar to one I'd propose in the wisdom of my forty years.

    "The fundamental concept was that fluctuations occurred in sexual affections (nothing novel there), but rather than make them illegal or pretend they didn't happen, it was better to legislate for them (and there's where their sensibleness outshines us).

    "Therefore they compiled no less than ten different contracts for marriage for:
    - unions of equal rank
    - women supported by the man
    - men supported by women
    - a concubine or "loved one" as the Gaelic would have it
    - women and men keeping company, but not living together permanently and neither wholly supporting the other
    - the abducted woman (she and her child had legal rights)
    - the wandering soldier and his spouse
    - forced or deceitful unions
    - union between the insane"

    Padraigin McGillicuddy on her celtic music show on radio station KPFA in northern California in the 1980s.

    http://www.well.com/~mareev/portal/goddess/patriarch_revealed.html

    "abduct

    "verb kidnapseizecarry offrun off withrun away with,make off withsnatch (slang) She was charged with abducting a six-month-old child.

    Collins Thesaurus of the English Language – Complete and Unabridged 2nd Edition. 2002 © HarperCollins Publishers 1995, 2002"

  • TNT666

    Thanks Joan, that is fascinating, I'd never read about that before. I'll be looking into this :)

  • john kennedy opiyo

    lt is about love and charity,that is all l know about my faith, let us tell the entire world that we care about the welfare of others especially the needy orphaned children,doing it fills me with uttermost peace,we can all do it.............krocorphansuppt@yahoo.com

  • TNT666

    oh dear, we've been spammed :(

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

    I've found make up disgusting for years, as a way looking male defined, being inauthentic. But this slideshow of women with and without make up sure makes it look effective. One sample...

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  • Grinning Cat

    I don't have a particular interest in men's rights activism, but I know I've seen complaints about men's accustomed, god-given privilege being called into question.

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  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

    Once in a while even sexist images can have a humorous twist.

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  • Greg Collver

    reading "Margaret Fuller - A New American Life", by Megan Marshall. Has anyone else read it?

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

    Not me, Greg. just here to share a LOL captioned "What Ladies Have to Look Forward to This Halloween"

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  • Grinning Cat

    That comparison of stiletto heels to mountain goats on a steep slope made me think of the submissive gesture of the very long ceremonial trousers that impeded normal walking, the naga-bakama that were sometimes required for samurai appearing before the shogun. This warrior is standing upright, not kneeling:

     

    (image source)

    Anyway, a girlfriend whose shoe size was the same as mine once encouraged me to try on a pair of her moderately high-heeled boots. My gut reaction: "How do people keep their balance in these things?!?!"

    Personal choices and preferences are fine; nobody should feel pressure to sacrifice their comfort and freedom of movement to look "sexy" for men!

  • Grinning Cat

    Some excellent framing I wish I'd learned about earlier:

    Opposition to abortion access (a.k.a. the anti-choice "pro-life" movement) is aptly called the forced-birth movement.

    (In a discussion arguing that nationwide marriage equality won't inspire the sort of conservative backlash Roe v. Wade did: "The forced birth movement was able to make a lot of hay over abortion because it is a private and not very pleasant experience - no one throws a party to celebrate their abortion, so the Right can paint women who have abortions as selfish baby killers. But the lies and myths and propaganda the Right has used against gay people can't survive our visibility...." There's also discussion there on the parallels between LGBTQ* and atheist visibility and acceptance.)

    As Tim Peacock wrote: "Many of the people who call themselves pro-life are also pro-death penalty. They’re pro-war. They’re anti-welfare and regard those in need seeking assistance as below them.... None of those people are truly pro-life; rather, they’re anti-woman,anti-choice, and pro-forced-birth. And good luck to the child that enters the world in those circumstances: [cartoon below]"

    Two men and a woman, to a pregnant woman's belly: "We'll do whatever we can to protect your life!" To the baby, after it's born: "Now you're on your own! Get a job, moocher!" "I hope your tramp mom doesn't want food stamps to feed you!" "Or medical insurance!"

  • Joseph P

    ... forced-birth movement ...

    I'll have to remember that one.  I haven't used the term pro-life, when describing them, for at least 5 or 6 years, since they're not, as you said.  I pretty much always refer to them as anti-choicers.  It'll be nice to have a swap-out term, though.

    This is one of the things you get from religiously inspired movements.  They deliberately misuse words to apply emotional triggers to things, rather than using words for clear, precise descriptions of the way things actually are.

    You get a little bit of this from all sides, when it comes to politics, but I find it far, far more common on the conservative side of things.

    I'm actually anti-abortion.  I think we should do everything we can to reduce it, short of violating a person's bodily autonomy.  Specifically, we need decent sex education and free access to contraception, which the anti-choicers are also against, strangely.

    As for the high heel thing ... yeah, meh.  Notice the feet of a woman who wears high heels all the time.  Most people's toes aren't generally in a wedge shape like that, and the arches become all kinds of fucked up, such that their toes point up in the air, when they're walking barefoot, in some extreme examples of regular abuse.

    I think high-heeled boots do a little less damage, since you have more side support, and lower heels aren't as bad, but after you crank people up more than an inch or so, it gets bad pretty quickly.

  • Grinning Cat

    Speaking of "forced-birth" politicians deliberately eroding abortion access, sex education, and contraception access:

    (Gynecologist to patient with her legs spread in stirrups) I see the problem. You have Republicans in your vagina.(my tweak of an image I've seen on the web)

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

    LOL, Grinning Cat. Hilarious.

    Try this on for size. Guys discover what it's like to wear a bra for a week.

    After running in a sports bra, "It's like wearing wet boxer briefs made of scuba material."

  • Grinning Cat

    Heh! Also the guy nervously asking his mother on the phone, "So how do you wash a bra?"

    I wouldn't mind a society where wearing a bra or not, according to a woman's own choice and comfort, is as much of a nonissue as wearing a watch or not.

  • Plinius

    Like over here? I never wore a bra until the weight made me buy one, somewhere between 30 and 40.

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

    In the "you can't make this stuff up" category, PayPal holds a panel to discuss workplace gender equality, and all male panel.

    PayPal’s All Male Panel to Discuss Gender Inclusion in the Workplace

  • Plinius

    Their intelligence must be staggering!

  • Loren Miller

    OUTSTANDING NEWS!  The Supreme Court of the United States has OVERTURNED the restrictive abortion laws in Texas!!!!!

    Story from CBS News.

  • Joseph P

    Nice ... and a 5-3, not just a 4-4 upholding of a lower court's ruling.  For all of the crap that Kennedy votes for, which you would think would be a blatant violation of the first amendment, at least he's firmly behind reproductive rights.

    Of course, since there's never a religious argument made in favor of an anti-choice law — at least not officially — since most (but not all) of the zealots behind the legislation aren't stupid enough to stick something like that onto it, there's no reason for Kennedy to flip.

    Hopefully we can get a more consistent replacement for Kennedy, when he goes.  Sadly, Roberts and Alito are probably going to be around for a long time.  Thomas is a bit older, but I think he's in pretty good shape.

  • Grinning Cat

    Amazing news! All the more reason to help like-minded friends who haven't already done so register, get proper ID if they need it, and VOTE!

    Judges for federal district courts and appeals courts are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate as well.

  • Joseph P

    I'm going to start volunteering for this sort of thing soon, actually.

  • Loren Miller

    Joseph, if I understand correctly, the lower court ruling UPHELD the law, so a 4-4 decision would have been disastrous.  Justice Kennedy was the key factor here, and I can't help but notice that Larry, Curly and Moe wrote some rather "sour-grapes" dissents!

    Still, this is a VERY BIG DEAL and I for one and glad of it!

  • Joseph P

    Oh yeah, that fucking district.  I don't know how it slipped my mind, but of course that district is the one that includes Texas.  Duh.

    Yeah, that's the federal district court that forced a Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage, since every other district court ruled in favor of gay marriage.

  • Grinning Cat

    From comments at Joe.My.God.:

    Schrodinger's douchebag: A guy who says offensive things & decides whether he was joking based upon the reaction of people around himOriginally in reference to tRump's second recent "joke" about assassinating Hillary Clinton, but applicable to a lot of situations!

    Many misogynists claim that their outrageous putdowns of women are "just joking"... but jokes in fact serve a social function. People in the in-group, who share the joke-teller's worldview, will find a joke funny (and thinkable at some level); if you find it offensive, you're not in the intended in-group.

    More, including Jason Steed's Twitter lecture, at the Vox article http://www.vox.com/2016/8/9/12417100/donald-trump-assassinate-hilla... .

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

    Schrodinger's douchebag! Good one, Grinning Cat!

  • Grinning Cat

    [early embryo] Howdy folks! I have flippers, a tail and gill slits, but I'm a PERSON! [a woman] You, however, have a vagina, so you're NOT! Glad to clear that up for ya! hisvorpalsword.comfrom the comments at "OKLAHOMA: Legislature Approves Bill Ordering Many Businesses To Place Anti-Abortion Signs In Restrooms" (Joe.My.God.)

    The new Oklahoma law requires businesses regulated by the Department of Health to post, at their own expense, signs in their restrooms stating, "There are many public and private agencies willing and able to help you carry your child to term and assist you and your child after your child is born, whether you choose to keep your child or to place him or her for adoption. The State of Oklahoma strongly urges you to contact them if you are pregnant."

  • Joseph P

    I'm almost surprised that they don't allow abortion for half of pregnancies, after the point at which you can determine the sex of the fetus.

  • Grinning Cat

    Supposedly there are polls showing conservative Christian "pro-lifers" people who oppose abortion, but who'd be in favor of aborting an embryo if it were certain to become a person who was gay.

    (But being gay "is a choice"!! Yet another layer of doublethink.)

    (Anyone have a reference or a rebuttal? My google-fu isn't up to the task, getting swamped in articles about attitudes about abortion and gay marriage.)

  • Joseph P

    Yeah, I've heard several Christian voices say something to that effect about gay embryos ... or at least ask each other the question.  I'm pretty sure that most if not all of them were being what they consider to be funny, though.

    After all, the narrative of fundamentalists tends to be that no one is born gay but that it's the result of sin or perhaps demon possession.  I've seen Pentecostals play at casting out gay demons, and the person pretend to be straight after that.  I suspect that the demon can more easily find its way back in, though, since it knows the window in the back that doesn't latch properly.

    ... err, which I didn't mean as an anal sex joke when I typed that, but I'll just leave it.  (yes, I'm aware that lots of gay guys aren't into anal sex, but the 12 year-old in the back of my head latched onto it anyway)

    They have support for their view from the Bible, after all:

    26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    Romans 1:26-27

  • Bertold Brautigan

    Joseph - I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one with a twelve-year-old in the back of my head. (H/T to The Who - But he only comes out when I drinks my gin.)

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  • Loren Miller

    In the wake of Elizabeth Warren being censored in the Senate by Mitch McConnell while reading a letter Which Had Been Previously Introduced Into The Senate Record, some women of the Congressional Black Caucus decided to join together to repeat those words for those with ears to hear.

    To them, and to all women who stand up to this brand of blatant chauvinism, I say: BRAVISSIMA BRAVA!!!

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

    Oklahoma and Wyoming Republicans agree women aren't people, disagree on just what they are


    Oklahoma and Wyoming Republicans agree women aren't people, disagre...

    Republicans in Wyoming and Oklahoma are starting to drop the pretense that they consider women to be human beings. In Wyoming, the state Senate is considering three bills that would restrict women’s abortion rights. Two of them are being considered by the agriculture committee.

    [Senate President Eli Bebout] ... Allegations that women are being equated to cattle are ridiculous, the Riverton Republican said.

    Dude, you’re the one who handed the job of limiting what medical care women can get to the agriculture committee. In Oklahoma, Rep. Justin Henry isn’t trying to be even that subtle as he pushes a bill requiring women to get male approval for abortion. He’s ranking women somewhere below cattle:... [highlight mine]

    Henry says women are merely hosts, they only feel as if it's their body. You know, sort of like we're fleshy incubators without a central nervous system.

  • Grinning Cat

    And here I thought as recently as last year that Marie Shear's famous quote, "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people", was mostly a description of the progress we've made as a civilized society!

  • Bertold Brautigan

    Ruth - Don't start getting uppity and thinking you can claim personhood without a y chromosome.

  • Ruth Anthony-Gardner

  • Grinning Cat

    Does anyone here know Arabic or Chinese? Specifically, would the text on this button change (like in Hebrew, but not English or Spanish) depending on whether the feminist is a woman or a man?

    Thanks!

  • Grinning Cat

    An instance of sexism, illogic, and the "man box"...

    I'm not sexist. Sexism is wrong, and being wrong is for women

  • Grinning Cat

    Also shared at "Ridicule Fascism", apparently from a Facebook group:

    White supremacist marchers with tiki torches at UVA Charlottesville Aug. 11, 2017, with mocking caption 'WHERE IS THE CLITORIS?!' (facebook.com/badturmp)

  • Grinning Cat

    From "Sinfest - Notes from the Resistance" on the ubiquitous, often-invisible patriarchy:

    (A young woman standing at her desk, then looking out the door, then going outside, noticing vertical semitransparent bars everywhere with glowing letters, HUSSY, TART, DADDY’S LITTLE GIRL, VAMP, TRAMP, LOLITA, PRINCESS, HO, DIVA, SKANK, GOLDDIGGER, PRUDE, DRAMA QUEEN, FUNBAGS, SHOW ME YOUR TITS, YOWZA, CHECK OUT THAT PIECE OF ASS, DIAMONDS ARE A GIRL’S BEST FRIEND, ARE YOU GOOD IN BED?, PORNIFY YOURSELF, OH GIRL YOU HAVE TO LET ME, STAND BY YOUR MAN, COOK CLEAN WASH, IT’S A MAN’S WORLD, T ’N A, GET ME A BEER, CONJUGAL DUTIES, BE SUBMISSIVE, DELICATE, LOYAL, HOW TO PLEASE YOUR MAN, MAKE-UP, XXX, BEAUTY TIPS, HOT OR NOT, HUBBA HUBBA, I LOVE YOU BABY, HONK HONK, etc. They continue throughout the entire comic. “MY GOD... it’s EVERYWHERE.” A girl in glasses on a tricycle says, “This is the PATRIARCHY. A SOCIAL-INTERACTIVE CONSTRUCT that BOMBARDS us with MISOGYNY. It’s a program of DOMINATION that permeates society at all levels... the workplace...” (DRESS CODE, MALE GAZE, GET ME SOME COFFEE, SEX JOKE, INNUENDO, etc.) “school...” (NYAH, SISSY, GIRLS ARE WEIRD, SUGAR AND SPICE, COOTIES, GROSS, BOYS DON’T CRY, etc.) “home...” (kid’s drawing of Dad, mom holding baby as “incubator”, and two other kids as “minions”) “It keeps people locked in RIGID GENDER ROLES...” (man and woman restroom-sign figures) “an untenable situation that leads to DISCONTENT, ALIENATION...” (figures split apart, walking away) “Most people can’t see the patriarchy. They’re too immersed. Until they are freed, they are agents of the system... colluders.” “Was I... AM I... a colluder?” “Everyone is. But you’re awake now. You can see.” (Patriarchy word-bars continue: FEMINAZI, DYKE, I KNOW WHAT YOU NEED, MAN HATER, HYSTERICAL, CAN’T KEEP A MAN, LOL JK, CAN’T YOU TAKE A JOKE, PRIGGISH, SPINSTER, CRAZY CAT LADY, BLAH BLAH BLAH, REVERSE SEXISM, WHAT ABOUT THE MEN?)

    (click twice to enlarge)

  • Grinning Cat

    On "pro-life" biblical "justification" for denying abortion rights:

    For all you sanctimonious hypocrites who are against abortion based on the bible. Answer me this. / Even pregnant women can be slaughtered: ( Hosea 13:16, Genesis 38:24 ) / A child less than one month old has no value ( Leviticus 27:6 ) / When conducting a census, ignore children under a month old ( Numbers 3:15-16 ) / The foetus can be killed too ( Hosea 9:16 ) / It is permissible to induce a miscarriage ( Numbers 5:21 ) / Live children can be disposed of by stoning, drowning, starvation, cannibalism, burning, stabbing and poison ( Matthew 18:6, Deuteronomy 21:21, Ezekiel 5:10, Genesis 19:24, Joshua 10:36, Deuteronomy 32:24 )

  • Idaho Spud

    Wow!  A great post against sanctimonious hypocrites.