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At 7:42pm on December 31, 2008, MissElainie said…
Oh yeah, I loved Dawkins' God Delusion too, primarily because he's soooooo much better than I am at making those arguments. I usually just end up sputtering something incoherent that would be pretty rude if it was actually comprehensible. On that whole "spritual" thing - I always suspect that people who claim to be spiritual are either just nonaffiliated theists or, worse, some kind of frolicking-naked-in-the-woods-worshipping-the-tree-of-life people. You're lucky that you found a life partner who shares your perspective - it's tough finding reasonable, logical, sane, undelusional people out there.
At 3:09pm on December 30, 2008, MissElainie said…
Hi. Thanks for writing back. This Nexus thing really IS fantastic, isn't it? One huge thing I've gotten out of it is the realization that the little bit I've suffered for not being a believer of anything is nothing compared to what some people are going through. My sister (also on the Nexus) is having a conversation with a young guy somewhere in the Arab world, whose life is actually at risk because of his lack of belief. This Nexus is his ONLY opportunity to voice it. So yeah, we need this.
At 10:08am on December 30, 2008, Fr33think3r said…
Cool that Dan and Annie Laurie are friends. I love that they appear so kind and gentle but, they work so hard at protecting our rights.
At 8:37am on December 30, 2008, MissElainie said…
Hello Alan. I just read your comment on my Believer To Thinker discussion; it was fascinating and heartbreaking. Can I ask you a question . . .

You said that your doubts started when considering the holocaust and how a god could allow that to happen. I was wondering how your doubts evolved from that point, because (and I don't mean to belittle your pain or your journey) that is actually a somewhat shaky beginning for atheism. If god is not benevolent, or just not a micro-manager - there could still be an omnipotent, omniscient creator of all things - just not a very nice or attentive one. I'm wondering if that first crack in the illusion, that first notion that god was not as depicted, led you to examine the foundation of the whole "god franchise" and if then you uncovered weakness after weakness in the picture. This is what I imagine may be the natural progression of thinking honestly about god. But I could be wrong. You also said that you're "not religious." But that's not the same as being an atheist, is it? Some people can't buy into the commercial religious package, but still accept that there might be "something bigger." I don't, but I'm wondering if you do.

Please don't interpret this as pure nosiness, I'm truly amazed and impressed by people who can go from there to here. I just want to understand better.
At 5:20pm on December 28, 2008, Fr33think3r said…
Alan, welcome to A|N.

You are fortunate to be in the same city as the Freedom from Religion Foundation.
At 10:52am on December 28, 2008, Dr. Terence Meaden said…
Ah, now you can relax and enjoy.

Welcome to Atheist Nexus and the world of commonsense.
Terry Meaden (of the group "Origins")



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