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Mar 12, 2013
Crispy Sea replied to John Jubinsky's discussion For Your Consideration, Use or Comment: A Logical Disproof of the Biblical God Concept in the group Unreasonable Faith
"Hell, I'm convinced! nice one dude"
Feb 28, 2010
Crispy Sea commented on Crispy Sea's blog post Atheist Day of Silence
"Loren - I am atheist because I (and everybody else) was born that way and as such I have no interest in 'making' everybody believe the same thing, my only interest is that everyone knows the truth. For me, the faithful are only faithful…"
Feb 5, 2010
Loren Miller commented on Crispy Sea's blog post Atheist Day of Silence
"Just what I said, oh thou crisp one ... for all I've seen, the theists aren't much for diversity, not in their general populations, not even in their belief sets. They don't like the GLBT community very much; they clearly don't…"
Feb 4, 2010
Daniel W commented on Crispy Sea's blog post Atheist Day of Silence
"I think theists would love it if all of the atheists shut up for a day. They might even encourage us to shut up permanently. I can see celebrating Drawin Day by wearing something emblematic of evolution - a fossil picture on a T-shirt, a baseball…"
Feb 4, 2010
Crispy Sea commented on Crispy Sea's blog post Atheist Day of Silence
"salve their fear of diversity Loren?"
Feb 4, 2010
Loren Miller commented on Crispy Sea's blog post Atheist Day of Silence
"I have thought about it, Crispy. There have been times when I took a day of silence because I could. I was in a circumstance where speaking wasn't absolutely necessary and it was a refreshing experience. HOWEVER, I will not keep silence when…"
Feb 4, 2010
Crispy Sea commented on Crispy Sea's blog post Atheist Day of Silence
"Think about it peeps, a whole day when every atheist refuses to speak, scientists, teachers, policemen, doctors etc. all just silent. darwin was just a suggestion, others have so far been descartes, voltaire, summer solstice"
Feb 4, 2010
Little Name Atheist commented on Crispy Sea's blog post Atheist Day of Silence
"Have we as Atheists got the collective balls to stand alone in our communities and be silent? I personally don't have balls, being born female (just like Hypatia), so it looks like I'll have to sit this one out."
Feb 4, 2010
Craig commented on Crispy Sea's blog post Atheist Day of Silence
"Ya the gays have the same thing. I refuse to shut up for what I don't believe in. That's what they want."
Feb 4, 2010
Staks Rosch commented on Crispy Sea's blog post Atheist Day of Silence
"No, I don't want to encourage the view that Darwin was the atheist Jesus especially when I consider Hypatia of Alexandria to be the atheist Jesus. Besides, we have Blasphemy Day (Sept. 30th)."
Feb 4, 2010
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Atheist Day of Silence

This is not just a thought, it's a rally call. Religions have holy days, days where the members must do, or not do, a thing, or things, to show their allegiance to their cause, which they call faith. Often these are called Faith Days. As atheists we do not have these opportunities to show our equally strong and valid No god viewpoint, or to likewise take time off work for that purpose. I propose that we, the atheist community, should collectively select a day in the year when we can show our…See More
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The Atheist's Inevitable Confrontation

A Little Philosophical Armour for The Novice Atheist's Inevitable Confrontation

When 'coming out', many atheists suffer an all too common and unnecessary confrontation as their loved ones show concern for the fledgling atheist's immortal soul.

Many atheists feel guilt and anger because of the hurt they have caused to their kin by coming out, but they should not, it's not the atheist's fault that the loved one is reacting badly to the news. The fledgling atheist is just the messenger of the truth.

It's antiquated beliefs and religious infrastructure - the Scriptures and Holy-men - that continue to cause and perpetuate these confrontations.

If the loved one had never been lied to, the fledgling atheist would not have been made to feel bad, but it's not the loved ones' fault that he or she believes what they've been taught.

In this situation it is very difficult for the fledgling atheist, who may be still too unsure of the reasons for their atheism to sufficiently and successfully explain their 'disturbing lack of faith'.

To those who find themselves victim of this religiously perpetuated confrontation, I suggest you ask questions of your loved ones - discover their understanding of their religion, and suggest why you have problems with the answers.

Be nice though, it's a big wrench to come to the realization that eternal afterlife was never an option and you don't want a war, you want to enlighten.

The TMQ Core are the core conundrums, which I find prevent belief - they are personal to me - my problems with belief in the ancient beardy one, but I have collected them together as a 'core of disbelief', in the hope that they may help any fledgling atheist to explain the never-existence of god to concerned loved ones.
If you're between 8-14 you might find Mr Gentle's site useful.
Or, if you're interested in helping someone escape from their ideological prison try Freedom Formula.

Take heart, it does get better!

These are the Core Too many questions

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Hopeless Hopefulness

We all know a truth about hope;
we know the patent futility of hoping
for that which currently exists, to exist.

And the converse truth we thereby glean;
One may only hope for things not so,
things not known or knowable.

Hope is a symptom of sentience in the presence of ignorance.
A defencive pretence in the absence of knowledge.
The fearsome battle cry in the face of stampeding destiny,
spawning prospecting premises from which to proceed.

Hope then is the pinnacle of false, the wishfulness climax,
the mental conjuration of a beneficial outcome,
impossibly disconnected from the impending incidence of the causal chain.
An against-all-odds simulation, anticipated in the absence of true solace.

So, when fantastical fables foster fervent false hope,
what hope can there truly be,
for that font of all false to truly be true?


This is one of the Too Many Questions
PEACE Crispy
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Dem Drones

Intro
Heads are disconnected by dem lie drones, Heads are disconnected by dem lie drones, Killing in the Valley of lie drones, Coz they do the work of their lore.
Verse
Believer's connected to the Progressive Progressive's connected to the Moderate Moderate's connected to the Conformist Conformist's connected to the Conservative Conservative's connected to the Traditionalist Traditionalist's connected to the Orthodox Orthodox's connected to the Zealot Zealot's connected to the Radical Radical's connected to the Extremist Extremist's connected to the Martyr Martyr's connected to the suicide bomb. And they all do the work of their lore.
Chorus
Dem drones, dem drones gonna rise again. Dem drones, dem drones gonna rise again. Dem drones, dem drones gonna rise again. And they'll burn the world for their lore.
Finale
Dem drones, dem drones, dem lie drones. Dem drones, dem drones, dem lie drones. Dem drones, dem drones, dem lie drones. Now fear the wars of their lore.


So to the question...
Given the arrowhead of condonation detailed in the verse, can it be legitimately denied that even the most innocent faith inevitably supports the zealot crusader's excuse for violent martyrdom at the pointy end?
You can probably guess what I think.

This is one of the Too Many Questions
PEACE Crispy
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Born Rational

The oxford dictionaries definition of Atheist is "A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods", which is the condition of ALL babies prior to magical indoctrination.
Now you may think...
"A baby lacks belief in everything, so it's absence of a belief in a god or gods is meaningless and, of itself, is not an indication that no god exists. Born atheist isn't an argument for atheism!"
...and I'd agree, it isn't an argument for the absence of a god. 'Born atheist' is just a fact; merely a recognition of the status quo. We're all implicit atheists before the society into which we are born brands us, imprinting dogma and tradition. Our lack of any indoctrination, spiritual or otherwise, is a fact across almost every area of the baby's existence, however, for those proffering...
"Babies are also free of all rational thinking."
...the evidence before us, in every child ever born to every species, is that is not so and, once again, the human eye, already much discussed in the theological debate, offers example.
When we are born we see the world as it is presented by the lens of our eye, which projects it inverted onto the retina.
Over a period of time the baby rationalises that clear and fulsome but poorly presented data from the eye against the data it is receiving from other bodily sensations, including the extremely reliable and ever present gravity data stream.
With no human intervention possible, there can be no complex communication with a being which has no means of complex communication, one may only assume the baby's rationalisation of the disparate data streams indicates we're all born as innately rational beings. And, as supporting evidence for that assumption, if we examine from the converse perspective, a being without the ability to rationalise the data streams(an irrational being) would fail to survive or survive less well.
Further, no matter how we feel about this world's natural disasters, tragedies etc, it's a rational, internally cohesive, generally predictable system. It is unsurprising that therein the beings functioning most rationally thrive best, which conforms beautifully with 'the survival of the fittest'; the most suitable to fit the rational environment survives through harnessing rationality. Or, to put it more lyrically...
In any rational environment the most rational being rationalises most rationally.
Seems to me, as I've shown above, whereas supernatural fables may only be learnt after the child has developed the complex communication skills required for indoctrination, acting rationally is innate, a necessity for the survival of any life-form; any baby of any species must act rationally to properly process the rational data of the world and progress from infancy to childhood.
When then you consider, to our current knowledge, humanity is the pinnacle of rational thought in the cosmos, is it rational to claim an offspring thereof, is born contrary to the evidence visible in any human baby's development and, frankly, all other known life, in a state of irrationality?
Finally, is one who implies or directly claims "Babies are born without rationality" doing so to dishonestly promote the notion that rational thought has parity with religious concepts, by implying they are both taught/learnt? Or that it has parity because they are both innate?
And, as promotion of either would be a dishonest representation of the situation, can one who lies so openly, merely to sooth their ego by crowbarring a wish for eternal life into the topic, be trusted to be honest on any topic?


This is one of the Too Many Questions
PEACE Crispy
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The Domino Effect

What follows is a philosophical muse only. No numbers were crunched, no chemistry read etc. It's just a thought I thought might make a loose illustration of how DNA became what is arguably the most important sequence in the history of the universe(s) and, to do that, I'm going to use dominoes, or rather you are, if you want to. I recommend it, it'll probably be a lot easier if you print out the instructions and actually do it.
It might even be a bit of edutainment for older kids to see or do.
1. Take a set of dominoes and empty them into an opaque material bag (a hat would do); it's just so domino selection is random.

2. Take out 1 domino and place it down; the start of the first sequence.

3. Continue to take out one domino at a time.

4. If next domino is not a match with the one already placed down, start a new sequence with it. If the domino does match, at either end of the sequence, the matching domino numbers are attracted together. The higher the number the great the pull; if the numbers match, the piece must join at that point.

5. Keep taking dominoes out and placing them down, continuing the current sequence or starting a new one, until no dominoes remain.

6. When all the dominoes are placed, look at the sequences. Any sequence containing only one domino will be attracted to the nearest matching sequence end.

7. Any sequence with two or more dominoes we'll call a "success", based on the fact that something, a successful coupling, has happened and, by extension, the sequence with the highest number of dominoes is "most successful".

8. If any two sequences match, those sequences are attracted to each other and their union spawns a new sequence, which is not a perfect replica of its parents; one end of the sequence will always gain or lose one domino. If last domino in the new sequence is connected to the next by a number which is less than half the domino set's maximum number the last domino is lost from the sequence, breaks of and becomes part of the pool, if more than half it gains. If 'gained' it gains it, where a parent has a matching end domino, from one of the parents. The new sequence then becomes part of the pool of sequences and is attracted to any other matching sequences(or loose dominoes if it was spawned of parents with unmatched 'gain' potential). Repeat this process until all attraction couplings are complete.

10. When all couplings are exhausted, Domino sequences with matching ends above half the value of the maximum domino will join together to form 'double-length' domino sequence. There is insufficient attraction and bonding strength to support longer sequences or to support the joining of sequences with and end value of less than half of maximum domino value.

11. When all 'coupling", 'spawning' and 'joining' has been accomplished get another set of dominoes or, if like me you've only got one set, keep a record of the sequences (graph paper works well for this) and repeat the whole process.

If you have the time or inclination, and can continue for 4.5 million years. At some point you'll very likely get a super-complicated sentient domino sequence that thinks it's magically acquired a supernaturally eternal personality.

So, for those who have not already surmised, to transpose the illustration into real world terms...
Replace the domino bag with a planet sized ocean rich with chemicals from exploded suns. Replace dominoes with amino acids; that is, Adenine, Thymine, Cytosine, Guanine and the coupling chains become DNA strands.
Repeat for 4.5 million years and you get an ape trying to explain meaning of life stuff in dominoes.

This is one of the Too Many Questions
PEACE Crispy
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Atheist Day of Silence

Posted on February 4, 2010 at 7:00am 9 Comments

This is not just a thought, it's a rally call. Religions have holy days, days where the members must do, or not do, a thing, or things, to show their allegiance to their cause, which they call faith. Often these are called Faith Days. As atheists we do not have these opportunities to show our equally strong and valid No god viewpoint, or to likewise take time off work for that purpose.

I propose that we, the atheist…
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In God We Trust Lawsuit Dismissed

Posted on November 9, 2009 at 6:21pm 4 Comments

Just read a passionate post by Hemant Mehta on Friendly atheist about the dismissed “In God We Trust” Lawsuit in which he makes three significant points.
  • "I’m no lawyer… but how is that phrase not an endorsement of religion over non-religion? (Not only that, you know the phrase refers to the Christian…
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Welcome to the Douglas Adams fangroup. Looking at your page, looks like I may have some reading to do!
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