"I have tossed around such thoughts without much support for 27 years and until recently had few resources to rely upon. Suddenly, there is a multitude of resources that have become available on the Internet, but they still feel rather impersonal.
"It is most odd that religions attempt to practice psychology without having pertinent studies at hand. We are brought up from very early in formative years, or when in a life crisis, given "answers" based on the desires of primitive…"
"I sense that the group members collectively ARE a stronger power than an individual separate. Two heads are better than one, as the saying goes.
The only trouble with relying exclusively on a supernatural "higher power"…"
""God" concepts include so many "what ifs" that I would be confused if I ever tried. Which god concept did you choose, or did you pick a pretty ecumenical one? My family didn't have any traditional belief that I know of, so…"
"Never met anyone before who had been Holiness and left it. I just started in that faith around the time I was 9, so I suspect we two had different experiences in how we dealt with the group.
Worst thing is, being in it throughout my teen years, it…"
"I verbally attempted to withdraw from membership in my former church group, but the minister didn't carry through with the request with the board of directors. It only mattered to apprise them of my decision, but would have made no difference…"
"I believe the only way to change one's own behaviour and thoughts is through HABIT. And gentle and constant reminders that you are human, coming out of a cult, and overcoming a lifetime of brainwashing and bad habits.
I ascribe to the…"
"Though I would dislike accepting myself being this way, it's not something I can foresee each time it pops up...it's not something I consciously do, but 20/20 hindsight tells me it happens over and over again, so the question is how to…"
"Yes, BIG TIME. I'm very very very stubborn and it's a character flaw as far as I'm concerned but it was celebrated as solid faith when I was in the Truman Show. I also have low tolerance for irrationality or what I'd call…"
I find myself expecting certain things from society. It seems I just don't fit into it. Even though my expectations are entirely rational, they are unable to discern how others relate to the game of life within the bounds of their societ(ies). I state how I expect to be treated, yet others are unwilling to offer much help by treating me kindly or accepting the differences of my upbringing, while at the same time insisting I accept theirs.I have a punishing attitude toward their irrationality,…See More
"Seems that free speech was easily forgotten when people tried voicing opinions contrary to the Bush administration. I was in such a protest group, and saw how dissenters were kept 500 feet away from every function Bush conducted, but those who…"
"So many theories, so few facts. Our culture can't handle the truth...I think they avoid asking the questions so that they will never have to face the answers.
I think the premise of this thread is one of those questions, posed as a statement.…"
"By outward appearances she was a tough old goat, but she had a heart of gold. I never met anyone as honest before.
She was one who tossed around ideas constantly. Constantly involved and curious about anything and everything. She wasn't…"
"I would give them three chances...first is fair warning, second is if they make an error. Third is the sign they have no respect for your wishes and so fair is fair, right? No need to ask Dear Abby..."
"And it all happened within 6000 years, because that's as old as the earth is? Yah...
but when you consider the possibility that the earth is actually billions of years old, several millions of years seem rather easy to have achieved what has…"
I've been to a few events. The debate between Desouza and Jacoby was well done.
At 11:41pm on September 11, 2010, Darrel Ray said…
Good question and one that most of us face on leaving religion. I don't pretend to have "the" answer, but here is an answer. If you were born to parents who raised you totally secular, taught you the wonders of science, read great literature, learned basic philosophical principles, learned music, etc. Would you experience a "void"? Most people I know who were raised by loving secular parents, don't seem to feel any need to fill a "void". So my conclusion is, religion creates a dependency, an addiction within us - in our brains not unlike other kinds of addictions. When the addictive agent is withdrawn we feel a loss or "void." We experience similar senses of a void when a loved one dies or we get divorced. So, in my opinion, it is important to ask, Was there a "void" or was it an addiction, a security blanket, a delusion that gave a false sense of security or well being? We are highly social creatures. When we leave an important social group - like our life long religion - it leaves a social void that is real, but is replaceable with other social groups. The delusional aspect of religion, should not be replaced, instead, we "grow up in the universe." We no longer have any pretend friends. We become adults as opposed to "the children of god." It can be difficult growing out, but the rewards are far greater than the salvation of any imaginary friend.
Just some of my thoughts. I hope this adds to the discussion. I would be glad to hear others ideas.