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What is your point of view for a proper Society ?

Started this discussion. Last reply by tom sarbeck Jun 3, 2013. 19 Replies

I don't believe in the Society thing. There is a lot of causes that drove me away from "Society". The concept of society is fully rely on collectivism. And there is no such perfect explanation about…Continue

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What is your definition about Individualism ?

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I'd say, the habit or principle of being independent and self-reliant.  Continue

Non-religious opposition to Darwinism

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Since Darwin wrote his book, many people have challenged his theory. Now this does not mean these scientsts resorted to supporting creationism. What they realised was, was that Darwins theory of…Continue

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Started this discussion. Last reply by Cārvāka Mar 7, 2013. 2 Replies

Here some atheist using billingsgate that is not good for the atheists.Because In my point of view,theists were started the controversy on that topic means the billingsgate.Atheist's were always…Continue


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About Me:
The lone withered tree,
The roots are in the depth,
In its there lies the truth,
Why the tree leafless,
Why it grows no fruits,
Why it is withered,
Why its heart is somewhere else,
There I dig the truth out,
Once the winter of despair came,
Taken its bliss away,
Since it shelters none,
Gives life to none,
Flower to none,

There no tree stands,
Without it,
The deserted field,
Is witnesses of own destruction,
But the lone withered tree,
Stands still under winter,
Winter that is falling over him,
That stops not,
Till it finishes,
The tree,
That is standing against through ages,
I chant the poetry,

Bring back the heart,
To the tree,
It needs,
The tree,
That has avowed,
To break all the shackles,
Around the tree grew,
Where they led to moribund of it,
On the judgement day,
The sun arisen,
To take away the all sorrowss away,
The tree risen,

The head,
That's had been disavowed,
The leafs come with wreak,
To overthrow its nemesis,
The sun once arisen,
To kept all sorrows away,
The tree blew wind,
The wind,
That it fled the despair of winter,
The trees gives the flower,
To the lives,
That had fled each others love,
The flowers that gives life to them,

The tree shelters,
Underneath I am found,
Decades ago I went,
The tree is my patron,
My life, my memories,
It led to my reincarnation!

All Things Are Nothing To Me

All Things Are Nothing To Me

What is not supposed to be my concern! First and foremost, the good cause, then God's cause, the cause of mankind, of truth, of freedom, of humanity, of justice; further, the cause of my people, my prince, my fatherland; finally, even the cause of Mind, and a thousand other causes. Only my cause is never to be my concern. Shame on the egoist who thinks only of himself!"

Let us look and see, then, how they manage their concerns - they for whose cause we are to labour, devote ourselves, and grow enthusiastic.

You have much profound information to give about God, and have for thousands of years "searched the depths of the Godhead," and looked into its heart, so that you can doubtless tell us how God himself attends to "God's cause," which we are called to serve. And you do not conceal the Lord's doings, either. Now, what is his cause? Has he, as is demanded of us, made an alien cause, the cause of truth or love, his own? You are shocked by this misunderstanding, and you instruct us that God's cause is indeed the cause of truth and love, but that this cause cannot be called alien to him, because God is himself truth and love; you are shocked by the assumption that God could be like us poor worms in furthering an alien cause as his own. "Should God take up the cause of truth if he were not himself truth?" He cares only for his cause, but, because he is all in all, therefore all is his cause! But we, we are not all in all, and our cause is altogether little and contemptible; therefore we must "serve a higher cause." - Now it is clear, God cares only for what is his, busies himself only with himself, thinks only of himself, and has only himself before his eyes; woe to all that is not well pleasing to him. He serves no higher person, and satisfies only himself. His cause is - a purely egoistic cause.

How is it with mankind, whose cause we are to make our own? Is its cause that of another, and does mankind serve a higher cause? No, mankind looks only at itself, mankind will promote the interests of mankind only, mankind is its own cause. That it may develop, it causes nations and individuals to wear themselves out in its service, and, when they have accomplished what mankind needs, it throws them on the dung-heap of history in gratitude. Is not mankind's cause - a purely egoistic cause?

I have no need to take up each thing that wants to throw its cause on us and show that it is occupied only with itself, not with us, only with its good, not with ours. Look at the rest for yourselves. Do truth, freedom, humanity, justice, desire anything else than that you grow enthusiastic and serve them?

They all have an admirable time of it when they receive zealous homage. Just observe the nation that is defended by devoted patriots. The patriots fall in bloody battle or in the fight with hunger and want; what does the nation care for that? By the manure of their corpses the nation comes to "its bloom"! The individuals have died "for the great cause of the nation," and the nation sends some words of thanks after them and - has the profit of it. I call that a paying kind of egoism.

But only look at that Sultan who cares so lovingly for his people. Is he not pure unselfishness itself, and does he not hourly sacrifice himself for his people? Oh, yes, for "his people." Just try it; show yourself not as his, but as your own; for breaking away from his egoism you will take a trip to jail. The Sultan has set his cause on nothing but himself; he is to himself all in all, he is to himself the only one, and tolerates nobody who would dare not to be one of "his people."

And will you not learn by these brilliant examples that the egoist gets on best? I for my part take a lesson from them, and propose, instead of further unselfishly serving those great egoists, rather to be the egoist myself.

God and mankind have concerned themselves for nothing, for nothing but themselves. Let me then likewise concern myself for myself, who am equally with God the nothing of all others, who am my all, who am the only one.

If God, if mankind, as you affirm, have substance enough in themselves to be all in all to themselves, then I feel that I shall still less lack that, and that I shall have no complaint to make of my "emptiness." I am not nothing in the sense of emptiness, but I am the creative nothing , the nothing out of which I myself as creator create everything.

Away, then, with every concern that is not altogether my concern! You think at least the "good cause" must be my concern? What's good, what's bad? Why, I myself am my concern, and I am neither good nor bad. Neither has meaning for me. The divine is God's concern; the human, man's. My concern is neither the divine nor the human, not the true, good, just, free, etc., but solely what is mine , and it is not a general one, but is - unique , as I am unique.

Nothing is more to me than myself!

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At 9:52pm on October 27, 2015, francine halvorson said…
Hi Ezra
At 10:44am on July 7, 2015, eliza said…

Thanks for the welcome!

At 8:35am on April 29, 2015, Christine Alcantara said…

Thank you so much for the warm welcome :)

At 2:23pm on April 7, 2015, Pranavi said…

Thank you Ezra ^_^

At 9:32pm on April 5, 2015, Lou Flores said…

thanks :)

At 3:25pm on January 23, 2015, Silvestri Hiberni said…

Thank you Ezra

At 10:38am on January 23, 2015, Danton Medrado said…

Thanks, Ezra!

At 3:32pm on January 12, 2015, Roland Chubbovich said…

HELLO. Kind greetings from me, in reverse to your welcome. I am very proud.

My name is Roland and my home is Bulgaria. Very beatiful cuntry.

I am ex-military scientist from bulgaria and bigtime atheist. I also have sociology Readings from there. I am interested very much in social darwinism and I once  took part in Eugenics esperiments during soviet era. Have youseen the film "Twins"?  this film is very good u think? I especially liek the squat man, he is very funny haha. But seriously. this type of experiemt almost exactly we tried in Bulgaria in 1970s

At 3:50pm on December 18, 2014, Leon Gretsky said…

Thank you!

At 2:02pm on December 17, 2014, Soren Sagan said…

Thanks ! :)



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Four Decades Being Here

Posted on October 14, 2014 at 1:30am 4 Comments

So as I title it "Four Decades Being Here" that it relates something that I have to tell you.

I have progressed four years here and all that I have learnt is 'Friendship'. Having this a site of Atheism and its views, I would postulate that it manifested me how to gather people by friendship. Not only I have fiddled my time away in discussions but also I spent a lot of time in chatting. Meet newbies sharing their thoughts realized the reality. There are lots of people I had hung out and…


Power Monarchy Autocracy Democracy!

Posted on August 10, 2013 at 8:16am 0 Comments

I feel like one, who has nothing to lose. I have observed that how we are being ruled and ruined by rulers. But If you say anarchy, I would retort like this, "Anarchism can be the best option to bring power to warlords". As I experienced with my little brain is, our life is not a dreamland. And I shall declare it to my beloved rulers that I'm no slave and I'm not accustomed to abide those rules.

In my second ink, I wish my realistic thoughts to be explained neatly. Therefore, We have…


All Things Are Nothing To Me

Posted on March 8, 2013 at 8:54pm 2 Comments

All Things Are Nothing To Me

What is not supposed to be my concern! First and foremost, the good cause, then God's cause, the cause of mankind, of truth, of freedom, of humanity, of justice; further, the cause of my people, my prince, my fatherland; finally, even the cause of Mind, and a thousand other causes.…



Posted on July 6, 2012 at 12:38am 2 Comments

No god I know is still alive -

all five thousand and seven

appear to have died.

The great god Huitzilopochtli 

led the Aztecs' divine pack -

but He departed awhile back.

Zeus was fun, and had His run, 

but while disguised as a swan,

they say, His neck got wrung.

Pluto - God of the…



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