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Question about Deathbed visions

Started this discussion. Last reply by Thomas Murray on Monday. 9 Replies

As many of you know, sometimes people (before they die) claim to have seen a spiritual entity which could have been a deceased loved one, or a religious figure. I read that these can even sometimes…Continue

Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Andrew on Monday. 12 Replies

Hello everyone! I am an agnostic from an Islamic background, and recently, a friend has tried to get me to "go" Christian. She introduced me to all these Near Death Experience stories. I found the…Continue

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Thomas Murray replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Question about Deathbed visions
" I agree with Michael Penn....  NDE are not the correct words to describe these phenomenas..."
Monday
Banjo replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Question about Deathbed visions
"Having approached death a number of times, I call BS on any idea of an NDE. At least in my very real experience. I cannot speak for others."
Monday
Andrew replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"Like so many of religion's extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence is required, to quote a famous guy. Excessive reliance on anecdotal information without any means of proof is, I believe, one of the fundamental reasons we're all here."
Monday
Joseph P replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"Heh, another point, yeah.  Religious apologists always frame the arguments in the terms most to their benefit, because all of their reasoning is post-hoc reasoning.  You can't get from any of their supposedly logical arguments to…"
Sunday
Michael Penn replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"It might be noted that many people also see the Virgin Mary but this does not happen unless you are Catholic. Think on what that might mean and use it as a yardstick in the measurement of any religious visions or claims of them. You see what your…"
Sunday
Michael Penn replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Question about Deathbed visions
"Gwen, I too have had OBE's and once trained myself for them. They are cool and also neat, but again they do not prove anything. Imagine that someone touched you on the toe and you felt that touch on your forehead. An OBE is similar to that but…"
Sunday
Michael Penn replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Question about Deathbed visions
"Well folks, there is no heaven to go to. The visions come out of wishful thinking, strong desire, and a lifetime of imprinted mental images working with a brain that is shutting down slowly. If you have no exact imagery the brain will  make it…"
Sunday
Gwen replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Question about Deathbed visions
"I had an out of body expiruence which it felt like I was floating away from my body and I saw myself. Then I saw everything in patterns and bright colors. This what people probably think when they go to heavenn. It was cool"
Sunday
Thomas Murray replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Question about Deathbed visions
"   One time I did have an experience that is described as NDE. This I confirmed with a friend who himself had a NDE. My friend was undergoing surgery for perforated peptic ulcer and for a few minutes he was 'dead' meaning his…"
Sunday
Glen Rosenberg replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Question about Deathbed visions
"When the brain is dying and oxygen is diminishing the actor's visions are colored by the images that have been imprinted during their lives. "
Saturday
Joan Denoo replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Question about Deathbed visions
"I agree! "
Saturday
Loren Miller replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Question about Deathbed visions
"I STILL say you're talking about human senses is a far less than optimum state, starved of oxygen and potentially failing catastrophically.  Why anyone would trust their senses in such a state is beyond me."
Saturday
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Question about Deathbed visions

As many of you know, sometimes people (before they die) claim to have seen a spiritual entity which could have been a deceased loved one, or a religious figure. I read that these can even sometimes occur about a month before the person dies, or they can occur one hour before the person dies. People in favour of NDEs and deathbed visions like Peter Fenwick and Pim Van Lommel would argue that these cannot be hallucinations, as hallucinations would not be as clear, and they would not be calming…See More
Saturday
Joseph P left a comment for Halil Altintop
"The way that you phrased that one question, which was passed on from your Christian friend, is an example of where theistic thinking tends to fail.  They tend to ask the wrong sorts of questions ... or they fail to ask a properly basic…"
Saturday
Joseph P replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"To go back to the earlier bit ... if it was true that not one Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Native-American spiritualist, Chinese traditional-spiritualist, Buddhist, Skih, or Jain had ever had an NDE that was indicative of and reinforced their religious…"
Saturday
Joan Denoo replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"No! Seeing Jesus in a near death experience is a cultural thing, I am convinced. Anecdotal evidence does not stand up to careful examination. There have been many reported sightings of Jesus in our culture but one cannot rule out the…"
Saturday

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I am an agnostic, and totally nonreligious. There are questions I have, and there are concepts that I do not fully understand. I come from an Islamic background, and I would love to get some insight from some logical thinkers :)

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At 6:12am on March 18, 2017, Joseph P said…

The way that you phrased that one question, which was passed on from your Christian friend, is an example of where theistic thinking tends to fail.  They tend to ask the wrong sorts of questions ... or they fail to ask a properly basic question.  Just like with the one you had in your discussion, they'll ask about the one true faith, rather than questioning the very usefulness of faith as a concept.

They'll load up a question with unjustified premises.  Instead of asking, "So, how do you think the world came about?" they'll ask, "So, if God (by which they mean only their god, of course) didn't create the world, then who did?"

First off, who says that it has to be a who?  Then, there's the loading of the word created, which forces in intention and will, which is a completely unjustified assumption.

Hell, most of the time, they probably don't even realize they're doing it.  If they only talk about this sort of thing with fellow believers, they might have never even had their assumed premises challenged.

Like I pointed out in the discussion comment-section itself, lots of people probably assume that once your heart stops, you're completely, absolutely dead.  That's just not true.  Unless you get caught in the fireball of a nuclear weapon or catch a high-caliber, sniper-rifle round through the brain, brain-death is a long, gradual process.

At 4:35pm on March 17, 2017, Grinning Cat said…

I'm glad you found us, Halil!

There are LOTS of groups and forums to explore here. I particularly recommend the active, relaxed, freewheeling Hang With Friends. Canadian Atheists on Nexus would be worth "waking up" too. Groups don't clutter up a "timeline" or "news feed" page; some of us are members of many dozens.

And I keep discovering things through the "Latest Activity" in the lower right of each page. (Mobile view: menu, Activity.)

Welcome!

At 11:59am on March 17, 2017, Daniel W said…

Welcome to Atheist Nexus!

At 9:15am on March 17, 2017, Loren Miller said…

Greets, Halil, and welcome to Atheist Nexus!  If you have questions, we may NOT have all the answers, but we DO have directions we can aim you in and suggestions to make.  The point is to help you find your own answers, which I suspect many of us think is the optimum solution.

Please have a GREAT time!

 
 
 

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