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NDEs in the blind?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Andrew Apr 10. 5 Replies

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Opinions on Out of Body Experiences?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Michael Penn Apr 10. 3 Replies

Hello guys, I wanted to thank you so far for answering my questions, all answers are much appreciated and most were very logical and rational, which is what I was looking for.Today I wanted to ask…Continue

Hello everyone, I have a HUGE favour to ask of you!!! I want to know ur opinions

Started this discussion. Last reply by Compelledunbeliever Apr 4. 16 Replies

I know I keep saying I fear hell, but it would really make me feel better if some logical and rational minds could just look at this article and tell me what they think. It would really be…Continue

I have a question on Christian visions about hell.

Started this discussion. Last reply by MarkFL Apr 9. 33 Replies

Ok, so on youtube there are a variety of videos on some pro-Christian channels that encompass interviews of Christians who apparently were sinners, did not go to church, drank alcohol, masturbated,…Continue

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Andrew replied to Halil Altintop's discussion NDEs in the blind?
"600 years ago, people had no clue as to what caused bubonic plague, the so called "black death", and all kinds of cockamamie ideas (in retrospect) were entertained. At the time, scientific inquiry was in its infancy, to say the least. My…"
Apr 10
Michael Penn replied to Halil Altintop's discussion NDEs in the blind?
"OK, Halil. Let me ask you some solid questions. These people had an NDE and they were blind but they could see while within the NDE. How do we know that? If they were blind and had never seen before how would they know that? The only accurate…"
Apr 10
Joseph P replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"That's one of the things I was checking into, yes.  I was going to look at his other activity on here, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. It's hard to be sure, since some people who are in the process of breaking out of their…"
Apr 10
Loren Miller replied to Halil Altintop's discussion NDEs in the blind?
"My brain has constructed occasional dream visions of things I would never consciously have considered myself, but then, that's the subconscious for you.  It has very few if any limits on itself.  I give those visions no more credence…"
Apr 10
Halil Altintop replied to Halil Altintop's discussion NDEs in the blind?
"the thing is that if someone never saw anything, how could their brain construct a vision? They cannot see in dreams, so why would they see in this?"
Apr 10
Michael Penn replied to Halil Altintop's discussion NDEs in the blind?
"I have already told you that an OBE can be taught and the experience itself has nothing to do with the eyes. Now you tell me of blind people having an NDE and they can see. Apparently an NDE has nothing to do with the eyes also. Rather than leave…"
Apr 10
Michael Penn replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Opinions on Out of Body Experiences?
"OBE's can be taught. Any student of Magick knows that and perhaps has also had them. Even your dreams can be looked at as an OBE a lot of times. I have had OBE's myself. Describing the circumstances to you would prove nothing. The best I…"
Apr 10
Michael Penn replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"I think Gwen is correct. None of the so called "faiths" has any more merit than the others. An NDE only proves your brain had a crisis and you had invalid experiences. Taking drugs does the same thing."
Apr 10
Gwen replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"I think hes a closet christain​"
Apr 9
Joseph P replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"Has any of this helped, by the way, Halil?"
Apr 9
Joseph P replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"Good thought.  This sort of reminds me of another way I've addressed people making these kinds of religious arguments: Scientific examination is the best method that we've come up with to analyze ... well, anything, really.  One…"
Apr 9
Andrew replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Do these experiences of "seeing" Jesus give Christianity more clout?
"The priest's so called challenge to his flock, attempting to prove Christianity's legitimacy by equating it with near death experiences, is an absurdly flawed, even fraudulent argument. He is appealing to people's inability to filter…"
Apr 9
MarkFL replied to Halil Altintop's discussion I have a question on Christian visions about hell.
"No chills. You said he did drugs, he was electrocuted! By what mechanism would one see hell at the time of electrocution?"
Apr 9
tom sarbeck replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Opinions on Out of Body Experiences?
"I don't require other-than-anecdotal evidence and formal data for the several OBEs I experienced in the summer of 1974. They were more real than dreams because I ALWAYS forget dreams soon after I awaken. I've never forgetten these…"
Apr 9
Andrew replied to Halil Altintop's discussion Opinions on Out of Body Experiences?
"Like Jesus, Sasquatch and UFOs. Nothing but anecdotal information and no formal data to support it. Therefore no rational reason to accept it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Apr 8
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I am an agnostic, and totally nonreligious. There are questions I have, and there are concepts that I do not fully understand. I come from an Islamic background, and I would love to get some insight from some logical thinkers :)

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At 6:12am on March 18, 2017, Joseph P said…

The way that you phrased that one question, which was passed on from your Christian friend, is an example of where theistic thinking tends to fail.  They tend to ask the wrong sorts of questions ... or they fail to ask a properly basic question.  Just like with the one you had in your discussion, they'll ask about the one true faith, rather than questioning the very usefulness of faith as a concept.

They'll load up a question with unjustified premises.  Instead of asking, "So, how do you think the world came about?" they'll ask, "So, if God (by which they mean only their god, of course) didn't create the world, then who did?"

First off, who says that it has to be a who?  Then, there's the loading of the word created, which forces in intention and will, which is a completely unjustified assumption.

Hell, most of the time, they probably don't even realize they're doing it.  If they only talk about this sort of thing with fellow believers, they might have never even had their assumed premises challenged.

Like I pointed out in the discussion comment-section itself, lots of people probably assume that once your heart stops, you're completely, absolutely dead.  That's just not true.  Unless you get caught in the fireball of a nuclear weapon or catch a high-caliber, sniper-rifle round through the brain, brain-death is a long, gradual process.

At 4:35pm on March 17, 2017, Grinning Cat said…

I'm glad you found us, Halil!

There are LOTS of groups and forums to explore here. I particularly recommend the active, relaxed, freewheeling Hang With Friends. Canadian Atheists on Nexus would be worth "waking up" too. Groups don't clutter up a "timeline" or "news feed" page; some of us are members of many dozens.

And I keep discovering things through the "Latest Activity" in the lower right of each page. (Mobile view: menu, Activity.)

Welcome!

At 11:59am on March 17, 2017, Daniel W said…

Welcome to Atheist Nexus!

At 9:15am on March 17, 2017, Loren Miller said…

Greets, Halil, and welcome to Atheist Nexus!  If you have questions, we may NOT have all the answers, but we DO have directions we can aim you in and suggestions to make.  The point is to help you find your own answers, which I suspect many of us think is the optimum solution.

Please have a GREAT time!

 
 
 

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