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Determinism: What are your arguments against it?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Jaume Jan 5, 2010. 63 Replies

We have been dancing around this problem often in Howard's other threads and derailing them, so now let's make a thread just for it.Now let's open it up. What problems do you have with…Continue

Cheating and the "Sanctity of Marriage"

Started this discussion. Last reply by Johnny Nov 18, 2009. 31 Replies

Would you, a secular person, be against cheating?Why? How do you justify it without religion?And then, could you possibly forgive someone who would cheat on you in moderation (in other words, not…Continue

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Something horribly disturbing that I am starting to notice among fellow atheists

Posted on April 28, 2011 at 9:30am 15 Comments

First of all, hey guys! I haven't been on for awhile!

I just wanted to pop back in to my good old atheist community to express some concern over two trends I am noticing in some atheists.

The first is dogmatic atheism. I've gone 5 years never having to encounter a dogmatic atheist and suddenly I've met a couple recently. Atheism is NOT and can NOT be a positive claim. People claiming that there is definitely no god (apparently they exist) need to be confronted whenever…


Need a bit of help

Posted on March 25, 2010 at 9:50am 1 Comment

I'm writing a paper on how conservatism in religion brings penalties in legislation and has a negative impact on society.

I'd LOVE some support from all of you. I know that somebody's going to make a great point that I might have missed.

Rough sketch of supporting ideas:

1. God is not moral by modern standards (Bible primary reference)

2. The penalties that conservative religious values have on society (oppressive psychological bonds that limit reasoning skills,… Continue

Can't the poor simpleminded theists ever defend their faith?

Posted on January 20, 2010 at 12:18am 9 Comments

It's starting to really bother me. Every theist on facebook seems to be activey trying to convert me and no matter what the hell I do, they always just leave. It's extremely rediculous. What the hell could compell someone to presuppose that they are right and never bother to defend it? Every time they throw something at me that they thing sounds smart (irreducible complexity, order to the universe, etc)

I rip it apart peice by piece and rather than THINKING about what they thow at me, they… Continue

Beware the Atheist tunnel vision

Posted on January 15, 2010 at 10:00pm 1 Comment

hey guys. I wanted to bring a discussion to your attention. Basically this is a portion of a thread on facebook where atheists and theists alike try to smash a bigot who agrees with Robertson. Here's the excerpt:

//You wrote50 minutes ago

bigot Delete Post

//Erik wrote47 minutes ago

Johnny = godless

//Kathy wrote42 minutes ago

Erik is a sad hateful self righteous little man. Believe whatever you want. I worship a God of Love, Compassion, and… Continue

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At 12:26am on December 27, 2009, Glenn Sogge said…
In between other things, I've been doing reading elsewhere (mostly philosophy blogs) about the whole free will/determinism thing to help get my thoughts into a more coherent and structured form so I am not thinking it through as I am writing it. Have no fear -- the interest in the topic has not gone away!! ;-)
At 6:09pm on December 20, 2009, Glenn Sogge said…
I saw the new group; I've been reading it. I just don't have anything to add that already hasn't been attacked/shot down/ignored or posted by others so I've stayed out of it. I'm learning that I don't argue well against dogmatism so I'm picking my battles better -- where I might have a chance of making a difference to somebody. Not necessarily my discussion partner(s) but anybody who might be watching. If what I do doesn't make it better for somebody, it's a waste of others' time.

I don't feel blocked out; I'm a big boy and left of my own accord. Doesn't mean I lost my interest; just the desire to participate.
At 2:12pm on December 12, 2009, CJ said…
I am talking about the note do Atheist beleive in an Afterlife, I understand their is a book by bruce greyson that documents 30 years of NDE research it is very weak but it should help
At 12:42am on December 12, 2009, CJ said…
Hey I read your note on the afterlife and I am in the same position I want to beleif in life after death I want to beleif that my loved ones exist somewhere and I want to do it regardless of what the evidence tells me
At 4:46pm on December 7, 2009, Courtney King said…
Yep! I just got started yesterday. I got this site from Y!A. I liked the post that lol
At 11:36am on November 19, 2009, skye AKA rembrandt said…
i dont graduate till may
At 11:32am on November 18, 2009, Scott said…
Ha! Having just been to Rustys' page I saw your comment. I am sure I could give you some feedback! LOL!
At 9:50am on November 18, 2009, Edward Teach said…

I'm not sure if this is exactly what yer looking for, but cites specific research showing how accurate future violent behavior can be predicted based on an indivual's social development.

There is strong evidence from that feral children site too. Here's a cut and paste from that discussion:

It's hard to filter through the information, as much of it has to do with language development, physical development, etc.. I'd like to spend more time reading on this.

Here are some quotes from the nature/nurture debate resulting from research on feral children:

Nature versus nurture

Feral children ought to be an excellent source of evidence in the continuing nature-nurture debate. Feral children cannot walk, talk, or socialise: they cannot show empathy with others. Indeed, these poor creatures are so apparently sub-human that Linnaeus classified them as distinct from home sapiens.

Social behaviour

Quite simply, feral children are usually entirely unaware of the needs and desires and others. The concepts of morals, property and possessions are alien to them, and they can't show empathy with other people. If brought up by animals, they don't even identify themselves as human, but probably regard humans as "the enemy".

Here is another cut and paste from a discussion with free thinker:

"I worked with inner city youth for a while. These guys were all diagnosed with conduct disorder. I thought it was an unfair diagnosis, as conduct is the product of training. These kids were growing up in an environment inwhich success depended on the development of sociopathic behaviors. They learned to thrive in their environment. In other words, put some "good" kid in that environment and the "good" kid would be horribly unsuccessful."
At 9:14pm on October 6, 2009, William Hutton said…
Johnny, I really appreciate your input on my post. the fact is, Your inquiries were a major inspiration to writing this up. I can't thank you enough for your comments.



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