"Is this guy's argument even coherent? I haven't listened to the actual podcast, but what does climate-change denial have to do with anything?
This guy must also be viewing the US media from the outside. We have Faux News,…"
"Well under Yugoslavia atheism was quite dominant (socialism etc), then christianity took control. Now with the immigration there is a massive almost forced conversion to islam being attempted it seems..."
"Someone else used a colon or semicolon properly! Woo!
And yeah, while it often turns into something more akin to bickering than debate, it's still generally useful for hashing out ideas. Even in Michael Pianko's occasional…"
I've heard the exact opposite from Christians. If all knowledge of all gods went away, the first people who rediscovered the concepts might perceive the one true, transcendent god in a distorted way, based upon their own biases.…"
"The difference between science and religion, yes. If we're discussing something real, the vast majority of those who study a phenomenon will eventually arrive at more or less a consensus.
In religion, as time goes on, the interpretation…"
"Oh, hey, Valdosta. I didn't even notice that. Two of the three guys who do the Scathing Atheist, Skepticrats, and God Awful Movies podcasts (they're some busy guys) are down there. They're working on moving back up…"
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"Hell, how many jobs are there currently which require about 30 minutes of work each day, followed by 7 1/2 hours of browsing the internet? The guys in the back room of the I.T. department, imaging machines, spend most of their time doing…"
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"It's more like all religions back then were sources of tribalism, because one of their primary benefits was to unite small groups. I could see the gods of larger empires being more stable and benevolent, perhaps ... or at least the people…"
"Depends what we're talking about. If we're talking about a transcendent, omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god, then yeah, I would expect that of him/her/it. That sort of god is pretty late to the stage, though.
Well under Yugoslavia atheism was quite dominant (socialism etc), then christianity took control. Now with the immigration there is a massive almost forced conversion to islam being attempted it seems...
Hey there. It's not much different here now in "the bible belt" I'm a gay female and it hard as hell to be here. I've been here 3.5 yes now and have No friends. They do not care for my life style, they hate my music. I'm a metal head from way back. I'm sure you can imagine how I'm treated.
Thank you for your response. I really appreciate it and it makes me feel human. Here..
I'm a terrible person and I'm told constantly I'm going to hell and other such nonsense.
You got cut off on your last/second message. I assume you fell asleep? Or maybe just didn't realize it. And never apologize for rambling. I am a ramble monster myself and and I always appreciate when people can ramble back at me. Heh.
As far as having a mental illness because of indoctrination, I didn't escape that either. Although, I don't know if MY mental illness is because of being indoctrinated, but I do have a mental illness. And i was diagnosed in my early twenties, around the same time I was questioning a lot of things and such.
Hmmm, what else? Oh, magic shows and mythology. Growing up, my parents namely my dad's idea of bed time stories were of course bible stories. i didn't get exposed to greek myth or any other kind of myth until college and during my 'pagan period' as it were. I still enjoy myths, and find them interesting, but they are just as ... outlandish as xtian mythology. My mom is afraid of paranormal things which my dad watched, and I later got into. So that to a point was ... a foot in the door to being exposed to other things?
Also growing up instead of magic shows, I watched those Revival type shows on TBN, with Tim Storey or Benny Hinn. Faith Healers--for some reason as a child it fascinated me that they would 'push people over' (touch their forehead and they faint) and then 'god would heal them' I watched them over and over and over again.. like i did with certain disney movies and sesame street movies. Heh.
After I was diagnosed with my mental illness, my dad tried to take all my paranomral books away so I didn't get confused with the difference between fantasy and reality. I begged him to let me keep them, cause frankly it was the only thing i was reading at the time and the stories kept me sane, gave me something to look forward to every day. I find it odd in a way thinking back, that he didn't try to take the bible away from me too, but to him, I s'pose, that is reality.
And yeah, in regard to hiding/lying about my atheism, I am used to that. I have to lie about the other closets I am in as well, Its like a russian doll type of closet or something. I don't know, hahaha. So my dad can be comfortable in his ignorance, as I still live with him for the moment. I am hoping to move out of the bible belt and up north to either Portland, OR or Boston, MA. Maaybe even Hawaii. We'll see...
No worries, weekends are built for tuning out. heh.
And yeah, my parents are divorced. Have been since I was a baby. My dad's path was definitely louder and what I identified with most when I was among the Theist's ranks.
The experience of coming out of indoctrination is a rocky one. Cause I was deep into the faith game. But what got me out, was ... well, being in college AWAY from my parents, I was free to question things. It lead me down a path of paganism, and then later non-theism. I still respect the Earth and think we should take care of it, so I took that aspect of 'paganism' with me, but none of the gods or goddesses truly felt right.
I still struggle with the more subtle conditioning/programming of being indoctrinated soooo young (my parents are ministers too) like black / white thinking, one true wayism thinking, and such like that.
I'm not really out-out to many people. My mom knows, but I haven't told my dad though I don't go to church any more, so he's probably suspicious and 'praying for me to get right with god' as it were. I told my sisters both of them are hardcore xtians in a nondenominational church. My friends know but that's it.
So suffice to say I have a long way to go as far as 'coming out' but as they say coming out is not a one time deal. You have to do it. over and over for the rest of your life, sometimes. always new people to meet, and situations to either be true to yourself or lie and hide who you are..etc.
You're really lucky to be a 'natural born skeptic' as it were.. I'm a bit late to the party, but it's better than not getting an invite at all, right?
Thank you for the welcome! I am breaking out of .... well ... a sort of Eclectic Judeo-Xtianity? I guess you could call it. My mom is Disciples of Christ, and my Dad .... is Messianic/Pentecostal sorta deal. I'm not sure what you mean by 'experience' could you specify, perhaps?
Hi Joseph. Thanks for the comment. I have always been an atheist. I have been researching life extension this year. The other day I saw some shows (Vlogbrothers and Adam Ruins Death) that said we will probably not extend life and never live forever. I don't want to die and I don't know how to cope with that.
Hey Joseph, thanks for the comment a while ago. To get back to you, no there's not any atheist/agnostic sort of clubs at my high school. I was raised Catholic too, and there are many Catholics in the area, but my generation seems to have a lot more atheists/agnostics (maybe its just because were teenagers) but nevertheless, it is helpful to talk to some of my peers about it.