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At 1:54am on March 12, 2013, Joseph P said…

Yeah, 12-step programs are very problematic that way.  The whole process involves surrendering to your higher power ... which is a major issue for atheists.  There's the classic line, that your higher power could be a tree or a rock, which is really freaking stupid.

There are a few groups like Secular Sobriety, but they don't have the same kind of coverage.  Since religious groups push 12-step programs, it makes it easier for them.  You can find a church that's willing to host a 12-step program in the middle of freaking nowhere.

Try http://www.cfiwest.org/sos/index.htm

I don't know what other groups might be run by other secular organizations.  A Google search for "Secular Sobriety" or similar search strings should turn up a couple of others.  I know they've mentioned a few other groups on The Atheist Experience, but I can't remember any of them.

Heh, same sort of shit from AA, as I've heard from other religiously-themed sources.  I've been to a few religious services which are supposedly addressing atheists and speaking to them.  They're always ... pathetic isn't a strong enough word.

The only thing that I've ever taken away from a talk about atheists, by religious people, is that they have no clue what atheists really are or what they think.

At 2:59pm on March 10, 2013, Brent Feeney said…

Welcome aboard! =)  Hope all is well with you today...

At 3:20am on March 5, 2013, Dr. Terence Meaden said…

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At 7:53pm on March 4, 2013, Joseph P said…

IV addiction?  Like morphine or heroin or something like that?




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