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Decoding Jesus: Separating man from myth (CNN - John Blake)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Mar 16. 6 Replies

Timothy Freke was flipping through an old academic book when he came across a religious image that some would call obscene. It was a drawing of a third-century amulet depicting a naked man nailed to…Continue

Tags: Richard Carrier, Robert Price, mythicist, Jesus

World of Batsh!t - #7: Gravity (CoolHardLogic)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Jun 10, 2016. 3 Replies

Oh, dear ... CoolHardLogic has found another one!  We now have "B S Detector," a flat-earther holding forth on why he's right and everyone else is wrong.  This particular scientific "genius" seems to…Continue

Tags: Einstein, gravity, Dunning-Kruger, CoolHardLogic

World of Batshit - #6: Sphereless (CoolHardLogic)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Feb 15, 2016. 2 Replies

The flying mouse feces spreaders are BACK ... and CoolHardLogic has GOT 'em!  This time he's got some wingnut named Jeranism, who seems to think that there are no spheroidal objects in outer space,…Continue

Tags: Tycho Brahe, parallax, sphere, batshit, Dunning-Kruger

David Silverman – Fighting God & Firebrand Atheism

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Sep 7, 2016. 58 Replies

I love David Silverman. Why? Because he has the brass cojones to call a spade a spade, he doesn't soften his approach and he doesn't back down.  Recently, in Zurich, Switzerland, David gave a talk on…Continue

Tags: firebrand atheism, Fighting God, David Silverman


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I'm a semi-retired electrical engineer who has a rather eclectic background, never mind a few miles on the odometer. I suppose I was an "apatheist" for quite a while - largely indifferent to the whole issue of gods - but after 9/11 and the more blatant appearance of evangelicals and Dominionists on the scene, my atheism has finally come to the fore.

Other interests include high-end stereo and home theater (and with that, CD and DVD collecting), BMWs and general car enthusiasm, single-malt whisky and biking.

I flatter myself that I know my way around Atheist Nexus at least reasonably well (I've been here since November of 2009), so if you need a hand with something, please don't hesitate to give a shout.

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Loren Miller commented on Claire Donnelly's group LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends
"Bertold, I enjoy the sight of a good-looking woman as much as the next guy.  As it comes to news, though, as I said, I expect CONTENT and COMPETENCE.Side note: for being 75, Lesley Stahl looks pretty damned good from where I sit, though…"
3 hours ago
Loren Miller commented on Claire Donnelly's group LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends
"Don't watch Megyn Kelly, have never watched Megyn Kelly, and seriously doubt I will ever have any interest in watching Megyn Kelly in the future.  As it comes to women reporters I respect, Lesley Stahl, Elizabeth Palmer, Christiane…"
4 hours ago
Loren Miller commented on Daniel W's group Quotation Of The Day
"Well, John, you WERE the one who said that our constitution established the US as a christian nation, didn't you?"
12 hours ago
Loren Miller replied to John Dumaker's discussion Is the word agnostic a cop-out ?
"Definitionally, the two words operate on different tracks: Agnosticism – Lack of knowledge regarding the existence of god(s) Atheism – Lack of BELIEF in god(s) That said, is it possible to KNOW that there are absolutely NO GODS in this…"
16 hours ago
Loren Miller commented on Daniel W's group Quotation Of The Day
"Anything beyond the limits and grasp of the human mind is either illusion or futility; and because your god having to be one or the other of the two, in the first instance I should be made to believe in him, and in the second a fool.― Marquis de…"
17 hours ago
Loren Miller replied to Idaho Spud's discussion Metrology: The Science of Measurement in the group Atheists who love Science!
"I used to play piano, and I was passably good, but it's been so long since I have been next to a keyboard that I would have to retrain myself, especially my hands. At least I have The Cleveland Orchestra to listen to six times a year. They make…"
Loren Miller replied to Idaho Spud's discussion Metrology: The Science of Measurement in the group Atheists who love Science!
"I have two, actually, on either side of my head.  They are colloquially called, "ears!"  In 40+ years of involvement in high-end stereo, I've learned a few things: No instrument or set of instruments can fully encompass the…"
Loren Miller replied to Idaho Spud's discussion Metrology: The Science of Measurement in the group Atheists who love Science!
"Oh, there just might be!  For 24 years, I worked for Keithley Instruments in their Semiconductor Division.  One of Keithley's "core competencies" was VERY low current measurement.  When I first started with them in…"
Loren Miller commented on Daniel W's group Quotation Of The Day
"Whether God exists or does not exist, He has come to rank among the most sublime and useless truths.― Denis DiderotVery true.  I mean, of what use is a god who doesn't DO anything?"
Loren Miller replied to Sheri M Larsen's discussion Critical Thinking
"Sure, god thinks he created critical thinking. Like so many other imaginary beings, it amuses him to believe that he is the originator of things that he has no idea about. The problem of course is that things that don't exist can't create…"
Loren Miller commented on Daniel W's group Quotation Of The Day
"If the ignorance of nature gave birth to such a variety of gods, the knowledge of this nature is calculated to destroy them.― Paul Henri Thiry Lovely concept.  All I want to know is WHEN."
Loren Miller commented on Daniel W's group Quotation Of The Day
"Of course they want to stop it, Ruth ... when it was their boy in the hot seat!"
Loren Miller replied to Rob206's discussion Recommended reading
"Well put, Daniel ... very DAMNED well put!"
Loren Miller replied to Rob206's discussion Recommended reading
"Particularly as regards the mythicist position on Jesus, a very easy read is Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed at All, by David Fitzgerald.  It's more of an overview than what Price or Carrier offer, though they are…"
Loren Miller replied to Rob206's discussion Recommended reading
"Certainly anything by the Four Horsemen – Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris.  To those, I would add the following: Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism, by Aron Ra One Nation Under God: How Corporate America Created Christian…"
Loren Miller replied to tom sarbeck's discussion Authority's Most Important Duty Is To Protect Itself!
"In line with that primary goal is authority's desire to convince everyone that it is, indeed, an authority.  Correlated with that: Christianity alters your identity to insure the survival of ITSELF. -- from Prplfox's video series -…"
Loren Miller commented on Claire Donnelly's group LGBTQI atheists, nontheists, and friends
"About all I can stack being gay and religious up to, Daniel, is a combination of indoctrination, cultural pressure, and ignorance of their holy books.  When I look at the vehemence with which some fundamentalists go after the LGBTQ community, I…"
Loren Miller replied to John Dumaker's discussion What a Turkey.
"You ain't the only one, Daniel, but the way things are going, I'd say breath-holding is a non-starter."
Loren Miller replied to John Dumaker's discussion What a Turkey.
"Not only will the EU kick their asses, but NATO may have them out as well.  Erdogan has gone a bridge too far this time."
Loren Miller commented on Daniel W's group Quotation Of The Day
"'But if the gods do not exist at all - then we are lost,' I said.'On the contrary - we are found!' said Aesop.'But when we are afraid, who can we turn to, if not the gods?''Ourselves. We turn to ourselves anyway.…"

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At 3:02pm on July 2, 2017, Robert Franklin said…
Thank you Loren, I will enjoy myself where I can.
At 9:48pm on June 29, 2017, Jennifer Miller said…

Thank you.

At 9:57pm on April 20, 2017, Marjorie Blegen said…

Sounds like you have a great bunch of fur-babies. Let me tell you about mine:

1. Samwise Gamgee Moonglow-16 yo: lilac point Siamese mix I picked up at a 3-M plant in Ontario, CA while I still drove semi. He is the BEST!

2. Chloe Rose-approx. 18 yo: tortoiseshell. Got her from a college woman who could not keep her.

3. Cappuccino Java Hopper Enigma Little Bitch - almost 9 yo: Mostly white with black splotches. A friend brought her to me when she was about 6 days old. She never grew so is still my baby (Java for short).

4. Majik Curious Destiny - approx. 3 yo: A friend (same one who brought Java to me) found Majik at a PetSmart up for adoption. I received pictures of her and told my friend to get her for me as I had been searching for a calico like her since my last calico died (Maggie was 19 when she died).

5. Solveig5-6 yo: Eastern Gray tree frog. One fall, when I was still putting plants outside during the day, this little frog kept coming in with the plants every night. I would find her in the morning when I placed my plants outside. After the third time, I said, "Well, I guess you want to stay." I bought a large habitat with front glass doors, put in plants and logs, plus a pond. I have to buy crickets (Yuck) to feed her. She is the mellowest frog I've ever come across.

So, that is my family!

At 8:18am on April 20, 2017, Marjorie Blegen said…

Thank you,Loren, I will scritch my cats and tell Solveig (the frog) ribbit. Soveig is an Eastern Gray tree frog - chirp chirp.

At 10:05am on January 21, 2017, Daniel W said…

Another famous someone ALMOST from Cleveland

At 10:51am on September 8, 2016, Elisabeth Christina Mathes said…

Thanks for the welcome, Loren!

I´ve already found many awesome vids and topics in this group, so I will definitely have a great time here! Cheers, Eli

At 6:41am on July 3, 2016, Scarlet StormBreaker said…

Thank you. 

At 3:25pm on July 2, 2016, Kelly said…

Hi Loren! Yes I love podcasts! They were a big help after my divorce the comedy ones helped me laugh again. The variety and content of podcasts is better than anything on cable. I do love the Thinking Atheist podcast, it's well produced and that voice is amazing, I could listen to him for hours!

At 3:35pm on May 22, 2016, Ruth Anthony-Gardner said…

I was just soliciting advice, Loren.

At 7:44pm on May 18, 2016, Ruth Anthony-Gardner said…

That might be related. Later I had to stop my flash plugin because it gave me problems.

BTW, I put my psychological reaction to climate news in the Psychology group. It' really for psychological discussion, isn't it. I wasn't sure where to put it, as I already overload Ecological and Climate Concerns. Have you a better suggested location to post such things in future?

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A Never-Ending Battle?

Posted on July 12, 2017 at 8:00am 10 Comments

I have no illusions that there’s an endgame.  These problems never go away.  You have to educate every single generation about this and make sure it doesn’t creep back into our society.  There’s no sense in which the job is ever done.

-- Tim Gill

Just for the record, Tim Gill is a software engineer and rights advocate, who has been an integral part of the thrust for LGBTQ equality.  His influence spans from the 2003 Goodridge v Dept. of Public Health case to the…


Holy Books – All Things to All People

Posted on June 1, 2017 at 8:00am 16 Comments

These are puzzlements!

-- King Mongkut of Siam (allegedly)

How is it that Christianity and Islam are both sources to claims of peaceful intent and despicable savagery? Jesus Christ is regarded by some as the “Prince of Peace,” yet the religion bearing his name spawned the Crusades, the Inquisition, the usages and practices of the Malleus Maleficarum, and too many other atrocities to count. Muslims worldwide declare that Islam is “a religion of peace,” yet…


Grover's Corners and Dancing in Hurricanes

Posted on May 8, 2017 at 8:30am 15 Comments

Back in college, I was invited to participate in a production of Thornton Wilder’s play, Our Town, which was being put on by the drama department of Notre Dame College.  It was a nice diversion from my engineering studies for one thing, as well as causing me to gain two really good friends from the then-all-female enrollment of that school.  I don’t recall ever actually reading for any one particular role, but I wound up with the part of George Gibbs, who starts out as a wide-eyed kid…


Dear Mr. President: Regarding Climate Change...

Posted on April 23, 2017 at 11:30am 2 Comments

Rigorous science is critical to my administration's efforts to achieve the twin goals of economic growth and environmental protection.  My administration is committed to advancing scientific research that leads to a better understanding of our environment and of environmental risks. As we do so, we should remember that rigorous science depends not on ideology, but on a spirit of honest inquiry and robust debate.

-- President Donald Trump, commenting on the March for Science…



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