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Decoding Jesus: Separating man from myth (CNN - John Blake)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Mar 16, 2017. 6 Replies

Timothy Freke was flipping through an old academic book when he came across a religious image that some would call obscene. It was a drawing of a third-century amulet depicting a naked man nailed to…Continue

Tags: Richard Carrier, Robert Price, mythicist, Jesus

World of Batsh!t - #7: Gravity (CoolHardLogic)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Jun 10, 2016. 3 Replies

Oh, dear ... CoolHardLogic has found another one!  We now have "B S Detector," a flat-earther holding forth on why he's right and everyone else is wrong.  This particular scientific "genius" seems to…Continue

Tags: Einstein, gravity, Dunning-Kruger, CoolHardLogic

World of Batshit - #6: Sphereless (CoolHardLogic)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Feb 15, 2016. 2 Replies

The flying mouse feces spreaders are BACK ... and CoolHardLogic has GOT 'em!  This time he's got some wingnut named Jeranism, who seems to think that there are no spheroidal objects in outer space,…Continue

Tags: Tycho Brahe, parallax, sphere, batshit, Dunning-Kruger

David Silverman – Fighting God & Firebrand Atheism

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Sep 7, 2016. 58 Replies

I love David Silverman. Why? Because he has the brass cojones to call a spade a spade, he doesn't soften his approach and he doesn't back down.  Recently, in Zurich, Switzerland, David gave a talk on…Continue

Tags: firebrand atheism, Fighting God, David Silverman

 

Faith is NO Reason ... Truer words were never spoken.

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I'm a semi-retired electrical engineer who has a rather eclectic background, never mind a few miles on the odometer. I suppose I was an "apatheist" for quite a while - largely indifferent to the whole issue of gods - but after 9/11 and the more blatant appearance of evangelicals and Dominionists on the scene, my atheism has finally come to the fore.

Other interests include high-end stereo and home theater (and with that, CD and DVD collecting), BMWs and general car enthusiasm, single-malt whisky and biking.

I flatter myself that I know my way around Atheist Nexus at least reasonably well (I've been here since November of 2009), so if you need a hand with something, please don't hesitate to give a shout.

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Patricia commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"The true scenario....."
1 hour ago
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Personally, Patricia, I think god was way too busy being non-existent!"
1 hour ago
Patricia commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Maybe gawd was too busy answering the prayers of football players."
2 hours ago
Michael Penn commented on Loren Miller's blog post What Would It Take to Believe?
"My mind says "this has happened before" every time the phone rings."
2 hours ago
Idaho Spud commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
".Immediately following the Sutherland Springs church shooting on November 5, 2017, Will Wheaton on Twitter stated in response to Congressman Paul Ryan's call for prayers for the victims that "The murdered victims were in a church. If…"
3 hours ago
Plinius commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Thanks for the Appleman poem, Bertold, it's beautiful"
3 hours ago
Chris commented on Loren Miller's blog post What Would It Take to Believe?
"The human mind tends to creat links where none exist. Déjà vu is used by some to assert belief in prayer or belief in a god, or gods. This may beg the question is there a God spot in the brain?"
5 hours ago
Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking. It's nothing to brag about. And those who preach faith, and enable and elevate it are intellectual slaveholders, keeping mankind in a bondage to fantasy and nonsense that has spawned and…"
9 hours ago
Compelledunbeliever commented on Loren Miller's blog post What Would It Take to Believe?
" I recently had a preacher ask me a similar question.  I told him that when I was a Christian Fundamentalist I had prayed for years for direction ( as far as the ministry) and heard nothing from God. So I looked o he Sky and said…"
15 hours ago
Chris commented on Loren Miller's blog post What Would It Take to Believe?
"Universally defined god is a supreme being worthy of worship.  As an atheist why bother asking what would it take to believe in god? The few that talk about belief in god that I've been able to corner and answered my question to define god…"
18 hours ago
Bertold Brautigan commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"It is sometimes difficult, in the wind tunnel of noise created by Trump’s most hysterical critics, to distinguish what is merely appalling from what is genuinely dangerous. Not everything the administration has done is wrong or disastrous…"
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Bertold Brautigan commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Life has come to an end where the "kingdom of god" begins. --F.W. Nietzsche"
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Bertold Brautigan commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"If you pretend you're a Republican for a minute it makes perfect sense."
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Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Seems as though there's at least two ways to read La Roche's statement ... and I don't care for either of 'em."
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Bertold Brautigan commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"I think you're taking it a bit too seriously. Isn't it an ironic observation that we really don't give a shit as long as it's someone else?"
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Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"That's a pretty broad statement, Bertold, and one which I'm not certain I agree with.  It's rather up there with the biblical assertion that god never gives us more than we can handle, which is demonstrable bullshit.  I…"
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Bertold Brautigan commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"We all have enough strength to bear the misfortunes of others. --La Rochefoucauld"
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Loren Miller commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"So much has been lost: so much pain, so much blood ... and for what? I wonder. The past tempts us, the present confuses us, and the future frightens us. And our lives slip away moment by moment in that vast terrible in-between. But there is still…"
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Patricia commented on Loren Miller's group Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful
"Yes, & unfortunately, our daughter is exhibiting much of it now."
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At 6:13pm on January 9, 2018, Chris said…

Great quote Loren.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
-- Upton Sinclair

At 5:36am on January 9, 2018, Marianne Seals-Vahrenholt said…

New friend Loren!

Keep coming back here. Learning, that many people share my frame of mind. Thx a bunch for creating this site.

Everyone have a great 2018!!

Warm greeting from Germany

At 7:53pm on January 4, 2018, Dyslexic's DOG said…

Hi Loren,

Thanks for asking to be my friend.

I may stick around a little longer on A/N this time.

Last time I got overwhelmed by attacking Trump supporters since he started his run for presidency, but now I've settled down a bit, but still have fun stirring them up. :-D   

Thanks M8!  

At 9:32am on December 26, 2017, Chris said…

Lauren,

I agree with every thing you are saying.

"on this statement: but rarely are they utterly reversed upon admittance of further data."

I didn't make a statement that they do.

An unfortunate fact is that many people still believe in Gowd and the Lowered Jesus Christ because of that it's a good idea to know how believers think.

I didn't think of the word 'Truth' the way Raza presented it until I listened to him. 

Consider it a way to understand, if possible The POTUSs Donald Trumps  truthor Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) truth

Mitch McConnel,  Paul Ryan.  The list goes on and on.

They all have access to the same facts as every one else.

Their Truth is different

They and others propose wealth re-distribution to the top 1%  will help the economy and U.S.

There is no evidence it will.

Are they delusional? No.   They know what it's about.

Is the public who subscribes to the notion of  trickle up economic theory delusional?

YES.

Pragmatically the R's such as McConnell and Ryan are doing a great job "For themselves and donors." The votors are too ignorant because of  the terrible news media available to be able to make informed descisions at the voting booth. Also because media outlets are nothing other than entertainment with a bunch of political speculators rather than Ambassadors, and University professors or INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS  many don't have enough information to vote.

That's the goal isn't it?

At 8:43am on December 26, 2017, Chris said…

Facts change with new scientific evidence.

Truth is what someone believes in regardless, or contrary  to the the facts. Evolution and climate change denial for example. WMD's in Iraq justified the war may be another truth.  Jesus was a raal person who was born from a virgin and was killed by the Roman empire for being a revolutianary.  After Jesus's death he rose  to heaven and took all the other dead people (throught history and across the little world) with him into heaven Because of Jesus' sacrafice everyone is absolved of original sin. 

Original Sin, or coarse meands god didn't make human't correctly in the first place..

All of that religious nonsense is about 'Truth." 

Aesops fables are about truth as well.  People fortunately, or unfortunately  don't take Aesop as  serious as limited Abrahamic texts put in the Bible, or Coined in the Koran.

At 10:06am on December 25, 2017, Chris said…

Thanks.

Comment by Loren Miller 2 hours ago

A myth may teach a valuable lesson, such as Aesop's Fables without having any basis in reality.  The lesson may be true, but that's as far as it goes.  Aron Ra offers the following definitions:

  • Fact: A point of data which is either not in dispute, or is indisputable in that it is objectively verifiable.
  • Truth: Any statement which has been or can readily be shown to actually be true. Personal testimony, conviction, conjecture, or speculation can turn out to be true, and may even be accepted as true whenever objection seems unwarranted, but no statement should be classed as ‘truth’ until examined and vindicated.

A fact may be said to be an element of "The Truth," and again, Aron has a position on this matter which I find on point:

If you don't care what the facts are, then you don't care what the truth is.
-- Aron Ra

At 9:48pm on December 9, 2017, Yaphet K. Graham said…

Hello Loren, thanks for the greeting. Sorry it took a bit to answer, relatives were over and we were having a good time while freezing our buns off.

At 12:41am on November 27, 2017, Marianne Seals-Vahrenholt said…

Danke!! thx a bunch for having me!!! :o)

At 3:35pm on September 26, 2017, Joan Denoo said…

I'm trying to remember how to get a video into comments without losing height or width. Will you please remind me of the dimensions that work for video? 

Thanks. 

At 11:55am on September 11, 2017, Teresa Roberts said…

Who's your muse? LOL

Loren Miller's Blog

What Would It Take to Believe?

Posted on January 9, 2018 at 8:10am 18 Comments

How many times have we heard it:



“What would it take for you to accept that god exists?”



Answers from atheists to this question have been many and varied.  In an interview with Randy Frazee of the Oak Hills Church of San Antonio, Texas, Friendly Atheist Hemant Mehta said that a personal experience might convince him.  Various others, including Matt Dillahunty, have proposed that Yahweh himself knows what it would take to dissuade him from his apostasy, but as of yet has…

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A Real Christmas Story

Posted on December 22, 2017 at 9:00am 0 Comments

Anyone who knows me reasonably well knows about my best friend.  I first met Rich at Hoffman’s House of Stereo in Cleveland, back in 1978, when I was taking my first look at investing in high-end stereo equipment.  As you doubtless have already guessed, he was the salesman who met me and showed off the wares his shop specialized in.  I became quite the regular visitor to Hoffman’s over the next several months, even after sinking my hard-earned cash into a Kenwood turntable, Goldring…

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Jerry Brown – Fear of the Lord or the Here and Now?

Posted on December 11, 2017 at 8:00am 2 Comments

On Sunday, 10 December, 2017, CBS News 60 Minutes interviewed California governor Jerry Brown.  This interview, while dealing with multiple subjects, led off with Brown’s strong disagreement with President Trump regarding climate change.  Brown’s attitude, considering the current spate of wildfires ravaging his state, and the correlation to causes associated with climate change,…

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The Atheist Pig's Take on Mass Shootings

Posted on November 8, 2017 at 9:20am 18 Comments

Is this the new normal?  Over 500 mass shootings in the past year, more in the past decade possibly than in all the 20th century.  The trend gives no appearance of abating, indeed, quite the opposite.  Frequently, gun sales surge in the wake of the more publicly reported shootings, owing to the mistaken impression by the gun lovers of the US that maybe, just maybe, THIS TIME the government will clamp down ... and yet they don't.  The push to regulate the bump stocks which were used in the…

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