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Why All-Knowingness is Impossible

Started this discussion. Last reply by P. Aug 20. 3 Replies

There is an argument by a philosopher named Roland Puccetti showing, convincingly, I think, that omniscience (i.e. all-knowingness) is impossible.  It is wonderfully called the "argument from…Continue

Tags: universal, existential, statements, God, negative

Euthyphro - how to argue how someone can be moral without God watching

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller Aug 21. 11 Replies

I wanted to share the following information with people, since most people are not familiar with Greek philosophy.  I had an American Atheists shirt on, while wandering in a shopping mall.  A Jewish…Continue

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Loren Miller replied to P.'s discussion Euthyphro - how to argue how someone can be moral without God watching
"My question is simple: how moral is a god who says, "Thou shalt not kill," then turns around and demands the deaths of more human beings than I would care to count, amounting to genocide, and for no other reason than that they are…"
Aug 21
P. replied to P.'s discussion Euthyphro - how to argue how someone can be moral without God watching
"You are welcome. In fact Euthyphro is a very short work, maybe only 38 pages or so. I would recommend it."
Aug 21
Joan Denoo replied to P.'s discussion Euthyphro - how to argue how someone can be moral without God watching
"Jeez! I like these responses! Well asked, Glen! I hope everyone reads Steve Wells, Drunk with Blood - God's Killings in the Bible How many has God killed? Complete list and estimated total (Including Apocryphal killings)"
Aug 21
Joan Denoo replied to P.'s discussion Euthyphro - how to argue how someone can be moral without God watching
"Plinius, right on! I like your style!"
Aug 21
Joan Denoo replied to P.'s discussion Euthyphro - how to argue how someone can be moral without God watching
"Michael, well said! "
Aug 21
Joan Denoo replied to P.'s discussion Euthyphro - how to argue how someone can be moral without God watching
"Thank you. P.,  for this link. I was not familiar with this piece of writing.  Euthyphro by Plato "explains very well why one does not need a God watching in order to keep one from committing criminal acts.  The work explores…"
Aug 21
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Roland Johnson replied to P.'s discussion Euthyphro - how to argue how someone can be moral without God watching
"This question arises so frequently because theists must never admit there is a difference between 'obedience' and 'morality'. And this is crucial. Plato (... Bentham, JS Mill etc) could see this. The religious are ordered on…"
Aug 21
P. replied to Aria Royce's discussion How to deal with a believer?
"I disagree that one cannot convince a Christian.  I have done so in the past, provided the person with whom I am talking is fairly intelligent.  One just has to keep repeating one's arguments enough times in slightly different ways…"
Aug 20
P. replied to P.'s discussion Why All-Knowingness is Impossible
"Commenting upon my own post, it occurred to me that if you have an irrational number, such as the square root of two, there is a limit as to how many digits of it can be expressed or stored in all the matter of the universe.  If "X"…"
Aug 20
P. replied to P.'s discussion Why All-Knowingness is Impossible
"Also, if "God" knew everything, thinking would be redundant for such a being.  Thinking is how we arrive at new information."
Aug 20
Ruth Anthony-Gardner left a comment for P.
"Welcome, P.! Glad you could join us. :D Please consider joining a group to meet people and talk about anything that’s on your mind, Hang With Friends. I also recommend Eco-Logical and Climate Concerns, since the climate is changing so…"
Aug 20
Michael Penn replied to P.'s discussion Why All-Knowingness is Impossible
"Mathematical facts aside, if god knew everything there would be no point to the entire bible. The very idea of salvation is absurd. People have faith and they are so worried about it when its only meaning (salvation) is that god is playing a game…"
Aug 20
Michael Penn replied to P.'s discussion Euthyphro - how to argue how someone can be moral without God watching
"According to some people you could not even think without god. If this is true then we all know who god is and where he resides. God is you inside that organ that does your thinking. This is why you and your god like the same things. It's also…"
Aug 20
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Aug 20
Plinius replied to P.'s discussion Euthyphro - how to argue how someone can be moral without God watching
"Empathy tells us what is acceptable behaviour and what isn't, that is the basis of morality. Every group animal knows it - read Frans de Waal's writings on chimpanzees and our other family. Many neuroscientists and biologists have written…"
Aug 18

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At 4:20pm on August 20, 2017, Ruth Anthony-Gardner said…

Welcome, P.! Glad you could join us. :D

Please consider joining a group to meet people and talk about anything that’s on your mind, Hang With Friends.

I also recommend Eco-Logical and Climate Concerns, since the climate is changing so drastically. Writing to Congress is a group to share ideas so it's easy to write or call legislators.

After you’ve searched for topics of interest in “Groups” above and in the “Forums”, don’t forget to look at recent activity which hides along the right margin of the page all the way at the bottom.

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