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America's founding moment brought a society newly freed from religion. What went wrong?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Loren Miller 3 hours ago. 3 Replies

An essay with quotes by Jefferson and Madison, the Protestant origin of the word secular, and more that may be helpful when talking to theists.…Continue

Tags: separation, church/state, secularism, American

Religion's Prohibitions Inhibit Even Long-time Atheists. And Our Inhibitions Consequences...?

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Those prohibitions are powerful.Federal Appellate Court Judge Richard A. Posner would agree. Here is the opening paragraph of his book, Sex and Reason.Anyone in our society who wants to write about…Continue

Tags: talk., sex, religion, politics

Will An Xian State Legislator Introduce A Bill to Secede from Today's Union?

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South Carolina was the first state to secede in 1861 and six more states quickly followed.In recent decades, Xian legislators have introduced thousands of bills on evolution, reproductive rights,…Continue

Tags: century, 21st, secession, church-state, religion

Ted Cruz's Closing Remarks in Indiana.

Started this discussion. Last reply by Daniel W May 4. 3 Replies

1) He's quitting, and2) Trump is a "pathological liar" and a "narcissist".Continue

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Loren Miller replied to tom sarbeck's discussion America's founding moment brought a society newly freed from religion. What went wrong?
"What went wrong?  I suspect we underestimated the desire of the church not to have to suffer any form of cognitive dissonance when confronted with opposing beliefs or lack thereof.  They don't like disagreement, nor do they tolerate…"
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Daniel W replied to tom sarbeck's discussion America's founding moment brought a society newly freed from religion. What went wrong?
"Tom thanks for posting an interesting essay. Jefferson and Madison were amazing thinkers for their day.  From the essay, Jefferson's words - "It does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are 20 gods, or no god. It neither…"
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Michael Penn replied to tom sarbeck's discussion America's founding moment brought a society newly freed from religion. What went wrong?
"I found the essay interesting but noted that the first sentence gave an existence to god by using the term "against god." It's strange that so many in our country even today think that people came to this continent because "that…"
4 hours ago
tom sarbeck commented on Loren Miller's blog post The Comfort of There Being No God
"Michael, your first paragraph describes well some people I meet. What can be done about them? I have only two cheeks so I don't endlessly turn them.* Similarly, my supply of empathy is limited. I've told a few "I hope your…"
5 hours ago
tom sarbeck replied to Henry McLeod's discussion I am a decent person... Except when it comes to religion.
"Henry, would you be surprised to learn that the human mind has a widely known immune system? I was surprised, until I compared this "mental" immune system to the body's physical immune system. One authority (see below) describes this…"
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America's founding moment brought a society newly freed from religion. What went wrong?

An essay with quotes by Jefferson and Madison, the Protestant origin of the word secular, and more that may be helpful when talking to theists.https://aeon.co/essays/why-did-the-secular-ambitions-of-the-early-united-states-failAlso, lots of essays, short clips, and ideas in the subject areas that comprise a college education.See More
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tom sarbeck replied to Joan Denoo's discussion Difference between beliefs of one religion and another is more than difference between an atheist and a theist
"Intellectually quite true, jay. Emotionally inadequate. The term "frame of reference" might not connote both the intellectual strengths and the also necessary emotional strengths that atheism requires. The necessary emotional strengths…"
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tom sarbeck replied to Joan Denoo's discussion Difference between beliefs of one religion and another is more than difference between an atheist and a theist
"I agree, Bert. And Tim Witmarsh in his 2015 Battling the Gods: Atheism in the Ancient World says Plato became grumpier as he aged. "
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tom sarbeck replied to Sassan K.'s discussion How does one go from atheism to religion?
"When I quit Catholicism I knew I didn't want a personal crisis to frighten me into returning. This required some study, including of other religions. I chose agnosticism. Fifty materially happy years later I came out as atheisy to people I…"
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tom sarbeck replied to Joan Denoo's discussion Difference between beliefs of one religion and another is more than difference between an atheist and a theist
"...and believers knew of a resurrection of the body.... When I was a kid in Catholic schools (1936-1949), I heard nuns use this as an argument against cremation. They tried to persuade me to fulfill their god's purpose and failed. Since…"
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tom sarbeck replied to Joan Denoo's discussion FerFAL: Understanding Societal Collapse Warnings we should heed from Venezuela's crisis
"Joan, I'm reading and slowly digesting the Wikileaks story of America's drive for empire. As I'm sure you know, the three I remembers you listed above tell only a small part of the story. I've been reading that ancient…"
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tom sarbeck replied to Bertold Brautigan's discussion New New Atheism? in the group Politics, Economics, and Religion
"...the one sociopath I met.... He was the US House minority leader. The 1800 votes I'd won in a state primary election earned me a half hour of one-on-one time with him. Returning to my car, I wasn't sure if I had a knife in my back. If…"
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tom sarbeck replied to Joan Denoo's discussion The Financial Invasion of Greece
"Ditto, Donald."
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tom sarbeck replied to Joan Denoo's discussion The Financial Invasion of Greece
"Donald, you gave us your definition of oligarchy, not a dictionary definition. In America, oligarchy will end when Congress can accommodate more than three hundred million people. "
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tom sarbeck replied to Bertold Brautigan's discussion New New Atheism? in the group Politics, Economics, and Religion
"Cheryl Crow said it well. It's a high that few can enjoy, although some people do it better than I did. "Of all the defense mechanisms, intellectualization is the toughest one to break," said a young candidate for a PhD in psychology…"
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tom sarbeck replied to Joan Denoo's discussion The Financial Invasion of Greece
"Bert, if you have no bananas Donald will say you're wrong. "
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Born Dec 1930. Atheist 6yrs; Catholic 20yrs; Agnostic 52yrs; Atheist 6yrs; Materialist.
Cincinnati until 1947, St. Pete FL until 1950, US Navy until 1952, St. Pete until 1954, Gainesville (UofF) until 1961, Tallahassee (FlaStUniv) until 1962, into computers where I became a migratory worker (St. Pete, Daytona Beach, Houston, Austin, Phoenix). Retired to San Francisco then Yountville.

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At 2:10am on May 16, 2015, Gerald Payne said…

That's true. I've looked on the internet but it's all a bit general. I'll take a stroll into town on Monday and check it up in the library.

At 3:54pm on May 15, 2015, Gerald Payne said…

HI Tom I've been thinking about that theory of yours regarding childhood happiness and political leanings. There could be more to it than I initially thought. In a couple of weeks I'll be visiting the library i'll see what I can dig up.

At 4:28pm on May 3, 2015, Gerald Payne said…

That electric Universe will blow a fuse Tom.

At 10:00am on March 2, 2015, Mojo said…
Tom thanks for extending the invite. I've been an athiest since the 70's and have become more so since.

I see religion as the handmaiden of fascism and oligarchs.

I find it absurd and pathetic that so many still embrace the superstition and denial of real humanity that religion demands.

You and I will be long gone before the world will be free of the bonds of theocracy, but every movement has to start somewhere.
At 10:22pm on February 28, 2015, Donald L. Engel said…

Thanks, Tom.  It isn't that well written, but I think I get my point across.

At 1:52pm on February 20, 2015, Donald L. Engel said…

Thanks for the invite, Tom.  Hope to have some good discussions with you.  Since we are close to the same age, there probably won't be too many disagreements though..

At 9:56pm on February 4, 2015, Čenek Sekavec said…

Thanks for clarifying. The reason I used the collective 'we' instead of the singular 'I' was because I was aiming for something inside the comfort zone of the reader. Hoping to rattle cages enough that maybe I get some folks to reconsider their stance on self-ownership. Sorry about misunderstanding your comment.

At 12:54pm on February 2, 2015, Čenek Sekavec said…

The place where you left the comment is at this link:
http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/personal-responsibility#comments

If you could let me know who I plagiarize I'd appreciate it. I didn't mean to.

At 11:55am on January 21, 2015, Čenek Sekavec said…

You wrote as a comment on my blog titled 'personal responsibility':

"Consider the words you borrowed from someone you didn't acknowledge:

As long as we are living the only power over us is that which we allow."

Tom, The idea is hardly new but from whom did I plagiarize?? I take it seriously, and I looked online to double check and found no quote that I failed to attribute.

At 12:52pm on January 15, 2015, Čenek Sekavec said…

Hey Tom, you said I borrowed words without acknowledging their source. From where??

I'm asking here instead of bumping an old post. I only just read the comments.

 
 
 

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