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I'm a scientific panthiest and skeptic. Undergrad in Cultural Anthropology from OSU. I identified as pagan for a long time. I took the 'believe in everything' stance, which meant, of course, I didn't believe in any of it. I do love the myth, storytelling, and folklore aspect of it all, though!! Looking for a group of non-believers I can hopefully relate to as humans!!

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At 10:36am on September 26, 2015, akasha dukeller said…
Does anyone know of any skeptic/free thinkers groups in the Toledo area?
At 7:58pm on August 21, 2015, akasha dukeller said…
Thank you all for your welcome!!
At 5:42pm on August 19, 2015, Dr. Terence Meaden said…

Hi Akasha

It's good to have you with us. Make yourself at home. Welcome to this friendly Internet community of rationality and peace, common sense and freethinking evidence-based wisdom. 

We invite you to visit and join the busy group "ORIGINS: Universe, Astronomy, Life, Earth, Humans, Religion, Gods, Atheism, Evolution, Darwin..." with 1000 discussion topics and 4180 members.

http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/originsuniverselifehumankindanddarwin

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At 7:09am on August 18, 2015, Randall Smith said…

Hello and welcome, Akasha. There's at least one other "Akronite" that frequents A/N (Loren).

At 2:56pm on August 17, 2015, Joseph P said…

I mean, if you want to debate some point or other, I'm game.  I'm just not sure we're actually in disagreement about anything here.  This is just me poking at you, being obnoxiously inquisitive.

At 2:55pm on August 17, 2015, Joseph P said…

No, just picking things apart, to figure out what you actually meant.  I tend to be a bit on the pedantic side about this stuff, since I talk to a lot of theists, with whom you have to pick through the nonsense and pin them down to get a coherent statement out of them.

And of course, if you don't pin them down first, you get back an immediate response of "Well, that's not my god," to anything you say on the subject.

So, no, not trying to debate here or anything, just displaying some of the background pedantry.  The label thing depends how you're using those labels.  Labels can be an aid to understanding where someone is coming from, particularly after you explore the meaning of the labels, in depth.  It's the idiots ... so many idiots ... who take that label and use it aggressively against you, who give the word a bad name.

At 2:30pm on August 17, 2015, Joseph P said…

For some uses of the word, possibly.  Einstein probably meant it metaphorically, when he used the word.  After all, he was actually targeted by the McCarthy movement, or whatever you want to call it, and during that hellish period of our history, it was somewhat wise to speak in metaphorical language, rather than coming right out and saying that you're an atheist.

I've heard pagans use the word too, though, and they're referring to the spiritual, woo-heavy version of the concept — almost theistic but not quite.  Panentheistic, maybe.

This is one of the problems talking about religious things, particularly in recent times.  Religious people, particularly new-agey types, have begin using useless, obfuscatory language.  You need to spend the first half of the discussion trying to nail down definitions and getting them to use words that freaking mean something.

I've dealt with so many dishonest Christians who have tried to present an argument for a generic, deistic god ... and failed.  Then they pull out their holy book and say, "Okay, now let me tell you about this god and what he wants you to do," as if they don't have to justify acceptance of the holy book as well, even if they hadn't failed to argue for a deistic god.

At 4:26am on August 17, 2015, Joseph P said…

Great name for paganism, by the way.  It has that vaguely ethnic, "Ooh, I'm mystical," sort of vibe to it.  ^.^

At 4:20am on August 17, 2015, Joseph P said…

Heh, sounds familiar.  A lot of people go through the pagan thing on their way out of Christianity, since it doesn't occur to most people that they can just chuck the whole concept of religious nonsense and check ‘none of the above’.

I was a little ahead of the curve, since I was a fairly certain atheist by somewhere around the age of 9 or 10, despite my Catholic upbringing, and came out as an atheist to my mother, when I was 14 or so.  I hung out with a lot of pagans in my late teens, but mostly just to annoy my mother.  I never believed any of the stuff.

I can relate to the appreciation of myth, folklore, and magic, too.  That was probably one of the things that helped snap me out of the Christian nonsense, at such a young age.  My father exposed me to a lot of Greek and Norse mythology, around kindergarten sometime.  I got used to the idea of religious stuff that no one believes anymore.

Stage magic and stuff like that, too.  It would be cool if stuff like that was real, too, but not so much.

What exactly do you mean by pantheism?  I've heard people use the word and mean a dozen different, contradictory things by it.  It's almost become as bad as the word ‘spiritual’ for being completely useless in describing what you mean.

At 9:40pm on August 16, 2015, Steph S. said…

Greetings! Welcome to the site!

 
 
 

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