The recent "victory" claimed by the United States government, the killing of Osama Bin Laden, seems a good thing at first. However, it's really just another poke in the eye of this back and forth between the western world and Islam, (or maybe between Christianity and Islam?) A retaliation is sure to follow, that's just the way it works. So while the American people are celebrating in the street, I'd be running for cover.


The government has always avoided calling this war what it really is. It's not a war on Islam, oh no, it's a war on terror. What exactly is “terror?” Is it a country? An organisation? Well, no! In truth it is a religion. The most evil and cruel of all the ridiculous faiths out there. What person in a civilised society would claim to own a women? What civilised man would have his own daughter killed for wanting to marry someone who doesn't believe in the same fictitious god as her? What “culture” would enforce the penalty of death for apostasy (rejecting one's faith)? Of all the religions this is surely the worst, the most violent, the most oppressive.


So what now? We sit back and wait for a reply? Wait for a revenge attack that will no doubt come? Maybe that's all we can do. You can't reason with such strength of conviction, such is the power of childhood indoctrination. They seem no more able convince their own minds of the truth than we are to convince them. The free thinkers of the world can merely sit back and watch the chaos unfold, helpless to intervene. If we do say something, we apparently “offend” their precious beliefs and risk our own lives. It seems Islam has no concept of free speech. I suppose all we can hope for is that our intelligence services can intercept the forthcoming attacks. Good luck to them, they have quite a job on their hands, and will do for many years to come.

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Comment by Rational-Thinker on May 10, 2011 at 8:46am

A steady stream of small attacks seems unlikely.  We have already had warnings of impending destrustion by extremists.  Warning of a large revenge attack.  Five people were arrested in the UK filming our largest nuclear power plant.


The old saying "cut off the head and the body will die" seems to fail in this case.  I fear it will be more like "cut off the head and the body will go nuts and blow everyone up."  I'm not saying it's an entirely bad thing that Osama bin Laden is dead, no doubt he deserved worse than a quick death, but I'm not sure it's such a cause for celebration knowing what will follow.  Of course, I hope I'm wrong, but it seems unlikely.

Comment by Prog Rock Girl on May 10, 2011 at 7:56am

John, he never said "all Muslims are like that". And people usually don't when someone else brings up "not all Muslims are like that". I'm getting to think everyone needs a disclaimer all the time. I never see atheists defend Christianity the way they do Islam. And what's with comparing Islam to Christianity when he was not doing that in the first place? Atheists sure do neglect Christianity! It's a glaring omission in atheist conversation!


What is happening in Europe is that 2nd and 3rd generation Muslim Immigrants, whose parents actually weren't so radical, have gotten attracted to radicalism in a misguided form of getting in touch with heritage. I wouldn't call that political, although some of this also happens b/c radicals capitalize on Muslm youths' feelings of being outcast (because of Islamic radicalization in the first place)...vicious cycle.


I do have Muslim friends and have known lots of Muslims. This "you probably don't know any Muslims" sounds too much like Muslims' claim that anyone who dislikes Islam doesn't know anything about it ("to know Islam is to love Islam"). Similar to Christianity, I think that unless someone has a very different interpretation of the religion or just doesn't practice it very seriously, there is some degree of backwardness to it, which might be a small amount. There are real moderates, but often fundamentalism is passed off as moderate.

Comment by Rational-Thinker on May 10, 2011 at 5:40am
Firstly, religion is never open to ideas.  The very nature of belief forbids one from scrutinising it.  Secondly, I never claimed that the US is doing anything wrong.  I was actually saying the deportation of "radicals" was a good thing and that we should be doing it here.  Thirdly, (judging by your last statement) you seem to think I am solely in charge of my country's actions, I'm afraid not.
Comment by Rational-Thinker on May 8, 2011 at 11:39am

At no point did I say the bible is any better, I'm well aware that it too is full of terrible things.  You said that as if I'm a Christian.  I don't see the need for any religion.  One where people are able to follow it in such a way as to promote hatred of anyone outside of that particular religion is not acceptable.  Islam is clearly the worst, and you're right in saying that not all muslims follow the Quran literally, but that doesn't excuse the fact that what it preaches is war.


Muslims in Britain seem to have been taking a stand on their beliefs in recent times.  Women claim that wearing a burkha is their choice (clearly the effect of religious indoctrination and brainwashing).  Did you see the recent chaos in London caused by Muslims after the death of Osama bin Laden?  Do you see the vile banners that are paraded around our streets by thousands of Muslims whenever something upsets them.  A favourite of mine is "Behead all those that claim Islam is a violent religion."  I doubt you see this kind of behavour in America, as anyone who has these views would be immediately deported.  Unfortunately, this does not happen over here.

Comment by Rational-Thinker on May 8, 2011 at 5:21am

John D,


A very poorly thought out reply.


Basing your opinion of a religion on the few people you happen to know compared to the billions you don't is a little narrow-minded.


You're mistaking my feelings towards Islam with my feelings towards Muslims.  These are two very different things.  Islam teaches warfare, whether or not muslims decide to follow these teachings is a matter of moral judgement.  A judgement which is built on evolution-born morals.


If the majority of muslims are moving away from the litteral teaching of the Quran, that's great, but it is definately not what is happening in the UK.





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