Do men doctors actually understand patients who are not men?

Could it be men doctors (MDs) don't understand how
conditions of wellness or disease manifest in women
and children at all so they don't bother to interpret
salient data in these patients. Instead, ritual
proceedures make up the main stay of medical
care for women (ceasarian section operations,
masdectomys and hysterectomies) and children
(Thimerisol laden vaccines, ritalin , fluoride, silver
and mercury tooth fillings which expand and contract unlike
the enamel and dentin they fill and silver nitrate inoculations
for the eyeballs of new borns). More please, give me more...kind sir.

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Comment by Clarence Dember on August 11, 2011 at 12:21am
When I was born the doctor put silver nitrate in my eyes and it burned like hell to such an overwhelming degree that I blacked out. That's how I was welcomed into the world. My mom and dad were monogamous Roman Catholics and they had no sex vectored disease. The doctor was just being sure I wouldn't go blind as a result of passing out of my mom's birth canal. For me it was an OK experience until that burning sensation drove me to unconsciousness. It sucked. If I'd been born at home I would not have had to suffer that lapse in time. It was all out of my control back then. Now things are quite different. I choose what chemical compounds to employ, not you or your colleagues. If I have a medical surgery I weigh the risk to my life against the condition without surgical intervention. I have not had much surgery though. I take good care of myself. I read. I don't watch TV. I don't play video games. I never had a desire to be a medical student. I have been a refrigeration mechanic, a soldier, a truck driver, a guitar player, and I like most animals, cats in particular. I got out of the service because I was born with mucous membranes, Lymph nodes and adenoids. I also am not an immunodeficient person.
I don't like being treated as though my immune system is compromized. I almost never get sick. May be when I'm old, I'll die of some horrible weapons grade disease they make in a lab. May be genetically engineered food will shut my organs down permanently. May be I'll get killed by some crazy bastard off of his anti psychotic medication as I order a veggie Patty at a fast food joint. The thing is "I am going to live my life, the way I want to." from If 6 was 9 by Jimi Hendrix.
Comment by Grace Fitzpatrick on August 10, 2011 at 2:39pm

I wish they to the high out of marijuana and turn it into a drug as I never want to smoke or get high.  Alcohol is a much more dangerous drug and it's legal.  I have a lot of reasons why I believe marijuana should be legalized, but only a few of those reasons have anything to do with medicine.  A big one it is it and hemp are excellent for making paper and other products. 


I don't know if doctors get a kick back from drug companies or not, but it seems like if you have a little money, they are going to prescribe the most expensive medication when there are cheaper ones available.  When I was in the Air Force, I got shots of penicillin, now I get expensive oral anitbotics that have lots of side effects and take longer to work.  I'd rather just get a shot of cheap penicillin.  I know a guy who spends $4,000/month on prescriptions.  Sure, they're working, but there's got to be a cheaper way.  A lot of elderly people have to choose between their medications and food. 

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 10, 2011 at 2:30pm
To Rob Van Senten: Credentials have their own respective standard bearers for the credential. You
are not the standard bearer of the credential of Naturopathy. You want to hold
forth on the non-validity of an architectural rendering, build it and see. Apply
the blue print and see if it is a waste of your materials or not.
If Naturopathy works and you refuse to use it, I did not say if I believe it works,
I said if Naturopathy works as per the Eat Right For Your type diet as I have
represented in this post, whether or not you accept my experience with it does
not matter to me and it does not diminish my I.Q. either. I have enjoyed less
intestinal upset and greater ease of bowel movement, more mental clarity and
less fat storage as a result of the Eat Right For Your Type Diet. This is actually a
condition I experienced, not a conjecture or a hypothisis. I am in better
condition since applying this tool for my health. You are not the standard bearer
or the arbiter of my decision tree and what you hope matters not when I
am constipated nausiated or exhausted. Apply what ever make shift standard
you desire to your own lives. I will dissern my own road with out your agreement or approval.
Comment by Rob van Senten on August 10, 2011 at 1:59pm

"There can be no proof of Naturopathy in Medicine. There can
be no proof of medicine in naturopathy."


This reminds of the method of the Discovery Institute of the Intelligent Design movement. It's called medical science for a reason, when you say that Naturopathy cannot be proven by medicine you are in effect saying that Naturopathy cannot be proven by science. Ergo, quackery.


The AMA is not the sole arbiter in regards to medical science, do you honestly believe that tens of millions of people that work in medical science every day would miss out on the opportunity to save people in new and innovative ways? 


"Evidence is contextual not valid across all credentials."


Evidence is proof, you are creating a dichotomy between evidence and science and your precious naturopathy. There are only two things, evidence (science) and wishful thinking (quackery). Without evidence you have no basis for determining the likelihood of naturopathy's truth claims so you are involved in quackery.


You might claim that only a naturopath can determine that naturopathy has merit, which is a sort of "you have to believe in it, for it to be true" ring to it. We don't need people or credentials to determine what is valid science and not, that's what evidence is for.





I get your frustration, I have seen the consequences to different effects but I do get it.

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 10, 2011 at 1:32pm
To Avicenna:
Ad Homanim attacks? You don't get to control everybody else's volition. I get
drug tested yearly to work. I spent 4.5 years in the U.S. Airforce and took all of my
shots; it was a mandatory formation. Get your swine flu shot or get thrown in
the brig! I have my DD-214 and it says HONORABLE! If that's what you want,
prison for those who don't obey just come out and say it! While your at it, you
can cast dispersions on someone else's character! Start with your own.
Comment by Clarence Dember on August 10, 2011 at 1:17pm
To Rob van Senten: I have no hope or any other christian virtue for you with
respect to alopathy that is to say radiation, surgery and drug related proofs that
Naturopathy which is not Homeopathy is related to or missible with or beholden
to or subordinated to radiation surgery or drug treatments. Moreover the English
language has different referents employed by specific and distinct credentials.
Example: Blacks and Balentine's law references contain specific
useages of words for the practice. of law. You will find to your dismay perhaps
that Webster's and Oxfords dictionaries don't cover the usage of their contents
with respect to law at all. For the legal useage of words you must go to a law
reference, not a word dictionary.
Thankfully I already had this discussion with a lawyer who said: "the useage of
terms employed by varied credentials can not be plotted in a Venn diagram".
What you're hoping and arguing is that the terms MD Physicians use can
arbitrate the terms Naturopathic Doctors use. You'd better check with a handy
PhD Ed. on this because different credentials have different referents employed
in the terms they use. You don't seem to understand or respect this reality
either. Evidence is contextual not valid across all credentials. The terms which
hold meaning vary from credential to credential. A doctor of Naturopathy is not
welcome to publish in a journal controlled by doctors of medicine. You assume
there is no proof. There can be no proof of Naturopathy in Medicine. There can
be no proof of medicine in naturopathy. They are discrete in their approach to
patient care. Interdisciplinary practices are possible
only if one holds both credentials. Medical standards apply to medicine and it's
practice. Naturopathic standards apply to naturopathy and it's practice. The FDA
and it's standards are not part of Naturopathy. They are part of medicine. You
are saying there is an expression in Russian which should never be used because
it is not in English. Good luck with that razor .
Comment by Rob van Senten on August 10, 2011 at 12:26pm

@ Clarence Dember, 


Evidence is the only arbiter of science. So if you don't have evidence, it is not science.

I was kind of hoping that you could provide me with some references to support mr. D'Adamo's claim. As I said before, without evidence it is quackery by definition.


@ Avicenna,


Even as a pothead I have to agree that the legalization of marijuana as a medicine is a bit dopey. If you were to extract the active ingredients and form it into a medicine, it would actually be ah.. ehm... medicine.

I'm still for legalization of marijuana though, but that's another topic not related to medicine or quackery.


On a side note, I think you might appreciate these videos about quackery/homeopathy from some great comedians, Dara o'Briain and Mitchel & Webb. As a UK resident you might know them already but I couldn't resist to share some great comedy.

Comment by Clarence Dember on August 10, 2011 at 12:22pm
To Avicenna: "Luddite" the desparaging expression you employ to cast the ideas
of others in a pejorative context. I don't practice psychiatry so I not knowing or
having affiliations with you have no interest what so ever as to your emotional
state ("pissed off") at the moment or that of your alledged collegues for that
matter. If I cared at the outset. I have gone by the point of caring. As to the
validity of the ADA s hegemony over all health and longevity I say hot air
balloons harbor more force and effect.
Comment by Clarence Dember on August 10, 2011 at 11:43am
Did the FDA ever regulate the cigarette lasting machines which put disparent doses of nicotine in different cigarette in the same pack? Nope. People stay addicted because the dose per Taylor made cigarette is NOT uniform. Do I need a scientific study to determine public record? Nope. When people roll their own cigarettes from the same pouch. mysteriously the dose is uniform and less addictive. Where's the proof? How many cigarette does she have left in her magic pouch at the end of the day? That's all the magic I have for you today Avicenna.
Comment by Clarence Dember on August 10, 2011 at 11:28am
To Avicenna

You make this sound like barnfire of the vanities.

Your medical vocation is not under attack. What will not stand is your ignorance of the different referents employed by varied credentials using similarly spelled words.

That is real. Everything you say comes from a particular referent which by the way is NOT the only arbiter of science. Oh, there I've said it now. Do you think in your high and mighty plan of Fluoridation there is room for the likes of me? No,? I have to be threatened with disease, death and worse calumny. And all this because some of us forgot to put on our thinking caps this morning, hmmm?



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