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Comment by Dre Smith on January 7, 2009 at 12:39pm

Just saying we as Atheists need to do more. You're a blogger you're part is being done. Simply. In addition to being a student, comedian, I put together community events also to get atheism out there more in the public forum and hold discussions on how religion affects things like public policy, science, etc. Been only really reaching out to my local community for about 2 years now. In 2007 I've met 20 people, in 2008 that number grew to 60. We are small, and yes we are VERY IDEALISTIC still...but being 25 to be frank...I'd be shocked if I wasn't. I do think as overall Atheists we need to increase our public profile, because in my view the only way to win is to attain the same political currency religion enjoys. I think, I make a plan, I execute it. I've failed I don't know how many times but I still keep getting up. I can live with failure, can't live without trying to do everything I knew I could. I invite you all to try and come down next month because I am trying to put together an atheist mixer off campus...right here in Chrisitansburg VA. ALL ARE INVITED.

Comment by Neece on January 7, 2009 at 5:53am

Mephistopheles: I agree! It's horrible! No they have no idea what liberty, freethought, or freedom is, especially for women who are merely possessions.

Nikkita: If a man marries a girl at age 1 then consummates the marriage 10 years later, the girl is still a child. little girls are prepared to take on their "muslim duties" at the age of 9. It's barbaric and backwards. muhammed was a pedophilic misogynistic sick fuck so all muslim men consider that the ideal. Unacceptable. Do you honestly think women have the right to divorce in muslim law? How can a piece of property sue for divorce from the man who owns her?

Andre: You've gotten yourself all tangled up in a big mess here. We all have our paths in this life. There is no superman or wonder woman. No one person has to be the be-all-end-all for everything. My job as a blogger is to shine the light of reason on issues that I come across. I am trying to educate and inform. That is what I do. I will leave it for the think tanks and the people with big degrees and tons of education to find a solution to this horrible problem.
I will say this though, the solution, if anyone could find one that would actually be agreed upon and implemented, would not have much appeal to everyone. islam is a barbaric religion. In fact all religions are dangerous and hurtful to the human spirit. If I had my way I'd like to find some way to get rid of them entirely. But I don't have my way and I'm not going to argue armchair politics and dreamworld solutions to a complex and hideous worldwide problem with you. There is no easy solution. There's no solution at all if things keep going the way that they are. But what I can do is share what I learn with others. We must spread information and reason. It's a good first step.

Comment by Dre Smith on January 6, 2009 at 1:16pm

My point is fine you condemn them. So what. Life in thos countries is not going to change because you tell them we find what you do horrific. If you stop dealing with them in regards to say international trade...all they are going to do is close the doors and let no one in or out...and quite possibly make it much more worse. And then what? Are you then willing to be responsible for say the increased bloodshed? No one wants to see other peolpe suffer, but we do have to be realistic in how we go about dealing with these folks ideologies. Unfortunately we are playing their game, their rules. All the protesting and condeming the actions will have a maybe immediate affect, but long term it amounts to nothing more than shooting at a freight train with a BB gun. I say and I know this is going to sound harsh but let them destroy themselves, because if we latch ourselves on trying to save them only even more are they going to resist. It would be nice if they opened their doors and said ok "take all those who want to leave" but you know you'll get some. But when those doors close, those locks slam tight....it's over. I am just not sold we should keep increasing pressure in these small increments...until we come up with a viable long term solution. Because that to me is the real threat, saving one girl is meaningless if there are going to be millions we are not able to help down the road. It's a choice that has to be weighed and weighed carefully. But we must try to get the best results we can, because perfect is not going to happen.

Comment by Dre Smith on January 6, 2009 at 1:07pm

Okay so how do you folks suggest we make them conform to better ideals? Certainley force is not going to work. Letting them evolve naturally you don't like and their will be tons of suffering before and if they ever get to the point where in fact they do change. So whats the next best option? Sanctions? Just make poor people poorer, so they lean even more on their religion and barbaric ideas? Enforce natural human rights for all? Hell we can't even get humans rights for people in our neighborhoods let alone trying to implement this around the world. We have tons of folks here in the US that do not get their equal rights every single day. We have children here that are already being molested. I am not saying do not get involved, do not help., do not showcase compassion. But what I am saying we need to first take care of what we have here first, because the simple truth is these folks are not going to change no matter how much finger wagging we do, or how much we may shun them internationally. When you're dealing with a group that doesn't give two shits what others in "INFIDEL" America and Europe think do you really think they are going to even bother to listen to what we have to say??

Comment by Neece on January 6, 2009 at 1:29am

Mephistopheles, you're right. I have to agree with you. It isn't PC to say it, but come on, it's common sense. Thanks for saying it how it really is.
Clarence, the problem is that the guy being interviewed is "right" in his society. This is just the way it is, totally accepted and promulgated. Society in this case is a term used loosely. It certainly is ignorant and ugly. I too am grateful to have been born in a free society. Well, a hell of a lot freer than the middle east, or any other third world ignorant country.

Comment by Clarence Dember on January 6, 2009 at 12:52am

To me the video indicates the lecturer has NO grasp of biology as well as no incite how his backwater ideas will be viewed by the larger context of humanity. He is ignorant, but his people view marriage under PROPERTY LAW so because he sees females as property to be had or disposed of what other view would he be expected to have? Society itself is conspiring against 1/2 of the population here, and it is by gender.
I'm thankful my relatives and friends grew up ELSEWHERE!

Comment by Neece on January 5, 2009 at 11:48pm

I know, NIF, the word disgusting doesn't come close to how I feel about this and similar issues. Even animals don't treat each other so despicably. Age 9! I can't get past that. It makes me swear and rant and rage profusely.

Comment by NoImaginaryFriends on January 5, 2009 at 11:42pm

I'm not sure how to properly respond to this. I know the word disgusting is thrown around a lot, but this is far beyond that. This is vile, horrid, and the part of humanity I truly loathe.

I almost threw my monitor threw a window when the one argued that, "If a man has two, three, or four daughters. He has no wives, and must go on a trip. Isn't it better to marry his daughter to a man who will protect and sustain her... and when she reaches the proper age, he will have sex with her"

Comment by Creature on January 5, 2009 at 11:30pm

Andre, the video was about having sex with children.

Comment by Neece on January 5, 2009 at 11:30pm

Greyfoot, it is disgusting. Yes, I agree, religion hates innocence and beauty and freedom and thinking and honesty.
Creature, people can be so barbaric.
GuanoLoco, you're right, there is no outrage. People can be so apathetic, especially when they are comfortable in their own little bubbles of disillusionment.
Andre, the marriage is arranged as early as age 1. the marriage can be consummated when a girl turns 9, meaning an old man gets to fuck a 9 year old little girl as much as he likes if her father has given her in marriage to that guy. that's barbaric. I'm not saying that we have to cram western ideology down their throats, but you're saying just let them evolve naturally. How the hell is that supposed to happen when they follow the words of muhammad? Barbaric. Even animals don't treat each other the way muslims treat women and even other muslims, if they don't follow exactly the same stupid religion. It's 2009. They aren't going to change any time soon. You think we just sit back and let things go on, let them try to take over all of Europe, let them wage war and terror on innocent people just because those people aren't male muslim men following the same exact brand of islam? I don't have a solution, but doing nothing is just as unacceptable to me as going in there heavy and forcing them. You can't make religious people see reason.

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