I live during the winters with a friend and his grandparents, the grandmother is as sweet as can be, but the grandfather is a full blown Christian. He completely blows my mind with the way he acts. Constantly I find myself getting into out of hand arguments with him defending the facts of evolution, geological evidence of the earths true age, the true origins of the bible and his faith. The worst part is that he can't even except that I am an atheist, he believes that I truly am forcing myself not to believe in god, and that I will end up dying soon and going to hell because aparentally, god punishes you for not believing by making you sick and killing you. Is there anyway that I can stop this madness and make him see the truth?

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Comment by River Otter on January 10, 2009 at 11:09pm
Your best weapon is the Bible. Next time he shoves Jebus down your throat, try pointing out some obvious flaws in the Holey book. Below are some links that you might find very helpful in this. Good luck.



Comment by MaleficVTwin on January 10, 2009 at 7:21pm
I'm in consensus with the other replies here, NO. It sounds like this man is far too set in his ways to even consider an alternate viewpoint.
Comment by Planetologist on January 10, 2009 at 6:23pm
What he claims to believe, I meant to say. What, not when. Grrr.
Comment by Planetologist on January 10, 2009 at 6:19pm
If he's willing to argue, he's got to be willing to hear whatever you have to say. If he says "This topic if off limits", then great. If not, no sugarcoating.

When he claims to believe is evil. Tell him that, straight up. What he believes is immoral, sadistic, and worse than anything ever done by any dictator, torturer, mass murderer, or psychopath ever to live in the history of the entire human species. He believes, literally, that if you are willing to swear loyalty to the ultimate mob boss in the sky, you get a free ride. Kill, steal, destroy, rape babies, whatever... if you're on the "made" list, you can do no wrong. But if you won't swear to the godfather?.. you deserve infinite punishment, for no better reason than he said so. That, by any definition that means anything, is pure evil.
Comment by Brandon on January 10, 2009 at 5:25pm
I would love to make this an easier place to live by just ignoring and letting go, the problem is that he is stuffing jesus down my throat every second he gets. In turn I feel that defending myself and my views is a just thing to do. Maybe one day he will get that I could care less that I'm not "saved".
Comment by Clarence Dember on January 10, 2009 at 5:19pm
I think the old guy is free to believe what ever he wants under his own roof. He may not have the inclination to accept the facts of life through the eyes of atheism at this stage of the game.
I used to tell my late grandfather he should eat better. His argument was "How long have you been eating the way you do"? I'd reply "5 years". He'd then say "Well, I've been eating this way for the last 75 years", and proceed to stare me down. He lived to be 92.
Passionately wrong is still wrong, but I wouldn't argue about it with someone that obstinate. It's a stalemate. Time to change the subject or change the summer venue.
Comment by Brandon on January 10, 2009 at 5:15pm

there was a time that my friend asked him where these two people would end up, heaven or hell.

He said that the first lady was a genuinely good person and always helped her community and she was a caring mother. She was an atheist though. He said the next person was a Christian, but he was a murderer and a thief. Yet before he died he repented to god.

His grandfather said that the woman would go to hell, and the man would go to heaven; this man is sick and way to deep in the faith pool.

Comment by Douglas Christensen on January 10, 2009 at 5:04pm
I agree with Freethinker. You can expect the foundation of all of his claims to be - more or less - the bible says so.

Yay circular logic!
Comment by Fr33think3r on January 10, 2009 at 4:40pm
The short answer: NO

I wonder if you could turn it into a conversation rather than an argument. I would say that you should let him make all of the claims. Let him provide the proof of his claims. Of course, he doesn't have any proof. You don't have to prove anything. You believe in the natural world he is the one that believes in the supernatural. The burden of proof in on him.

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