Things are beyond ridiculous in this country. Even if someone believes in god and believes god hates gays--or he's at the very least opposed to gay marriage--why don't they just go live their own lives and praise jesus as they will and let god deal with the gays in his own way? Better yet, why not actually do something positive with that god loving energy, like feed the hungry and clothe the poor? Why are gays so high on the list of things god want's them to deal with? It's hypocritical to think gays marrying will ruin the sanctity of their heterosexual marriage. They're perfectly capable of doing that all on their own. Check out the divorce rates in this country some time. It's about 50%. And yet, they're free to divorce and marry again and again, as many times as they like. All because they're marrying the opposite sex. I wish they'd look around and realize, its not gays marrying that will ruin this country--it's already ruined and this is just a diversion tactic to get them to focus on what *isn't* the problem. Republicans want less government involvement in *their* lives, but more government involvement in the lives of everyone else. And all of it based on the perceived will of god. And guess what, god will never say they're wrong to discriminate against gays, because god never says anything. So if they're waiting on god to tell them to stop being bigots, they'll go to their graves bigots. Bigots in the name of god. If he was real, he wouldn't be impressed.

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Comment by Tony Carroll on May 12, 2012 at 8:56pm

Marriage is a Civil Contract. In no state of the union, can you get married in a church, temple, synagogue, etc. without a license, which only the State can issue. Try getting a minister to marry you without one, can't be done. So I think this falls under contract law. I'm not a lawyer, but I know some of the people here are. Please, if you could elucidate somewhat on contracts, it might actually be something that could work in the courts. Thanks in advance.

Comment by Phil on May 12, 2012 at 2:44pm

It's very easy, if both sides of the Divide were honest.
Secular civil unions for all, with full and equal rights. Then the morons and bigots could take their civil union documents to their shamans, priests, hasidic rabbis or mullahs who could then apply the additional private sanctification of marriage, if the couple could pass muster with the particular cult. Their sacred marriages would be safe, the rest of us would be left alone. Too easy, when the real objective is to shove their stuff down the throats of others.

Comment by Brad on May 12, 2012 at 2:39pm

I agree.

Even if you are against "gay marriage" (which I am not), a constitutional amendment telling others that THEY cannot recognize it is more than a tad totalitarian. How bout trying to reach a compromise or simply trying to remove federal government from "marriage" to begin with?

Many would rather impose their will  unto others while blabbing about 'big government' hypocritically. It is a direct violation of the separation of Church and state. "Gay marriage" issue aside......a constitutional amendment is nothing to take lightly or propose at the drop of a hat. If a social liberal proposed to change the amendment to THEIR own liking, the social conservatives would be hypocritically frothing at the mouth. For people who are so fast to rant about the constitution, they seem very flexible on it. I don't wanna generalize but MANY of them are complete idiots who think if you have even one slightly left leaning value, that you are a "godless commie Nazi fag who wants to kill babies and help da terrorists destroy uh-muhr-ikka. not on nah watch, bubba."

As someone with values on the left and right, and somewhat 'moderate', I am disgusted with these tools.

they're complete fucking tinfoil hat wearing morons and these people give those with valid actual objections to the president's actions or policies a bad name. The vast majority have never even read their OWN book for themselves, or studied the Greek or Hebrew texts, much less given much thought to other religions or reading books with opposing thought.

Comment by Cane Kostovski on May 12, 2012 at 11:15am

@ Eric - I was raised without any thought about religion. I did not have to go through that. I was lucky because if I was raised as a religious person, I might still be there. I am weak like that.

Comment by Eric Gilnett on May 12, 2012 at 10:22am

@ Tony, ya--I love when they say it doesn't apply anymore because it was in the old testament. Boggles the mind, their logic.

Comment by Eric Gilnett on May 12, 2012 at 10:19am

Ya I think you're right, God. I think that's why its so hard for people to choose reason over their beliefs. They have too much time invested in the delusion. Its shaped every decision they ever call that into question now, would be devastating--and it was for many atheists who finally snapped out of their belief. I remember being very depressed when I first realized there was no god. You get over it though. :P

Comment by Ted E Bear on May 12, 2012 at 2:25am

Am I the only one who wants Gay marriage so we can all watch Gay Divorce Court on TV? :)

Comment by Tony Carroll on May 12, 2012 at 12:19am

Cherry pickin', my friend. And delusional stupidity. On numerous occasions, when having this "discussion" with someone, they almost always say when I point out working on Sunday, mixing clothing, shellfish, etc. that I have to take it in the context of the time it was written. I shit you not. I usually stand there dumbstruck for a few seconds. They don't even realize what they have said. I then check to see what side of their mouth they are talking out of. We can't use the time it was written for homosexuality, but we can for all the other stuff? Man oh man. " What is your conceptual continuity (Frank Zappa) ". Delusional stupidity indeed.

Comment by Cane Kostovski on May 11, 2012 at 11:56pm

It is simple. If they allow what their preachers tells them is bad, then that would mean that they condone what their preacher is saying is bad. But if they condone it, they will pay dearly for it - afterlife in Hell. If they choose to believe that their preacher is a liar, they would have a hard time dealing with the fact that they have been duped for so long.

Comment by Earther on May 10, 2012 at 8:53pm

They do not want to change their bully language.



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