i've got no problem with everyone saying "merry christmas" on christmas day.  however, they've turned it into an entire holiday season where it lasts a month or more.  in those situations it should be perfectly acceptable to say "happy holidays" or call it a "holiday tree". 

it's fine that they don't want to take the christ out of christmas, but why should everyone else have to give a shit? 

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Comment by Michael Penn on May 22, 2013 at 6:52am

Happy Holidays is a good enough saying for anyone at Christmas time. I support the phrase "happy holidays" rather than the bullshit most Americans were taught. Let's go back in time to look at meanings here. "Holidays" really means "holy days." I'm sorry. There are no holy days. Days are all the same and equal. Need a day be "holy" in order to get off work for that day? How many know that Thursday is really "Thors day?" (We need Thor and the power of his magical hammer.)

As for Christmas and "putting Christ back in Christmas," we have to see that he was not there in the first place. "Christ mass" was a service from the old Saturnalia designed to get pagans to accept Christianity, and to show that Jesus was just as important as others reportedly born on December 25th. The day suddenly becomes "Jesus' birthday." We have been deluded with this for centuries. In fact, Jesus has no recorded birthday, so that day may not be so important at all. Wait a minute. This man was God, and he came here to "save the entire world," but his birth is not important enough to record it. Is this because he was God, or because he was never born in the first place? Think about it, and look over a few other similar myths as well.

Comment by Two Cult Survivor on May 21, 2013 at 3:22pm

I'm the one who should be apologizing. I'M the one who went off topic. Your message had something to do with Christmas, Debra/Brandi. Also not my job to police whether others go off topic. 

Comment by Easton Le on May 21, 2013 at 2:05pm

"This bill is about the freedom of religion, not freedom from religion, and Gov. Perry supports it." - Spokesman for Perry

I wonder if by putting this bill through the system they are in turn provoking its own demise, as well as future religiously-inspired legislation of the same nature. It will get passed, but how long before the Texas Supreme Court questions its constitutionality. Fanatic atheists (excuse the term) in the region will still have a strong case.

On a side note, I love Christmas but always assumed Christmas was a secular holiday originated in religion. The people I celebrated it with were Vietnamese Buddhists and a few Vietnamese Christians. My firsthand encounter with the religious nature of the holiday was 10 years ago when I celebrated it with my friend's very Christian family. Before then it had always been about spending time with friends and family and sharing gifts before the night was up. It shocked me when I learned people celebrated it otherwise.

Frankly, I think Happy Holidays sounds very appropriate since it acknowledges every holiday during the season, but Holiday Tree sounds silly to me since I know of only one religious holiday that uses that tree. I view the use of the word "Christmas" the same way I view the names of the days of the week or any other word that has transformed in its use down the generations. For example: Thursday, to my knowledge, originates from Thor's Day. To me, Christmas is a historical holiday that has a cultural inheritance which has transformed over time; just as Christmas, from what I understand, was a transformation from earlier "Pagan" rituals.

Comment by Two Cult Survivor on May 21, 2013 at 1:12pm

I love how the WBTS (one of the two cults I survived) has quietly dropped its claim that the "new system of things" will be ushered in "before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." Flipping lying liars.

Nothing to do with Christmas, but you mentioned it.

Keeping Christ in Christmas is like keeping the hijackers in the cockpit of hijacked planes.

Comment by Two Cult Survivor on May 21, 2013 at 12:27pm

I get offended by anyone who gets offended by "happy holidays." Yes, it's primarily Christmas. But other holidays are being celebrated, too.

Now, I will not be offended if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas. But if I say happy holidays and that bothers somebody, screw him. I have important things to argue about, and a throwaway holiday greeting doesn't make the cut. 


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