I am proud to be an Atheist and I enjoy  discussing various  topics  on A/N......I may  not believe in God  or all the  fables  in the  Old or New testament, but some of us do believe in traditions from our culture  unrelated  to any Theistic  belief.....Maybe  being  Jewish  is unique, because it is a rich culture with  a very long history as well as being a religious faith......I may  have  rejected the religious  part but  certain traditions are important to me  because  they define  who I am and  where  I came from....People  who have  roots in various  countries  of the world may  no longer  believe in their ancestral  religion  but  still are proud  of the culture  from which  they came......It defines  us.......Some traditions of a certain culture, many  may not agree with,  but it is important  to respect  them none the less....

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Comment by Michael Pianko on August 19, 2014 at 10:38pm

The Red Sea or gulf of suez or gulf of Aqaba did not just magically part so that there was one or more dry paths through the water with a wall of water on each side which conveniently collapsed and drowned our oppressors behind us. This kind of phenomena can only occur in the fantasy world of Jewish myth. There is not one bit of archaeological evidence of chariots and drowned Egyptians in the water. There is no evidence that a group of our direct ancestors wandered around lost in the Sinai peninsula, carrying around the mishkan or arc of the covenant, a magical box with Jewish holy texts in it which would kill anybody who touched it. There is no reason to believe that a man named Moses went on mount Sinai, where our lord (adonai, el, elohim, yud-hey-vav-hey or however you want to call it) handed him two tablets with the ten commandments carved into them... and do you believe the myth that all the souls of all future people were at mount Sinai at this magic moment?

The walls of Jerico did not magically crumble up and collapse when somebody blew a shofar (rams horn) ... you get the point, the exodus and all the other stories did not really happen. It is all myths, all fiction, all folklore stories that evolved over time until they were written down and  different people still tell different variations of the myths... nobody ever repeats exactly what is written in the torah, different re-tellings have different embellishments or additional details...

Comment by Michael Penn on August 19, 2014 at 8:16pm

Haven't dug in the right place yet? A million people roamed the Sinai desert in circles for 40 years. There is not one shred of evidence that they were ever there.

Who built the pyramids? A crack force of 10,000 paid and fed well and housed close to the base of the great pyramid. Evidence of this was first uncovered about 1990.

Comment by Freethinker31 on August 19, 2014 at 7:48pm

@Loren...Well how else  did the  Hebrew Slaves  leave  Egypt?   The route  they  took is in question....The Sinai is huge....Maybe  archaeologists haven't dug in the right place yet...Give it time.....

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 19, 2014 at 7:27pm

Our family has celebrations and remembrances of those who have died. We also celebrate the shortest day of the year and the longest. Our spring festival involves planning gardens and planting seeds; our autumn festival is a harvest dinner with appetizers in the garden, eating a cherry tomato, kohlrabi, or munching on a cucumber. The dinner includes summer squashes, beans, carrots, brassicas, cabbage, turnips, potatoes, onions all cooked in a huge pot and  corn on the cob, picking it after the pot of soup stock begins to boil and the other vegetables are done. We didn't do that this year ... I didn't get the seeds in the ground because I didn't have enough energy then. I have the energy this late summer, but there is a time for planting and for harvesting. I missed the first and can't have the second. 

We did have a great festival at Michelle's home in celebration of birthdays for all six great-grandkids. That was fun. 

Comment by Loren Miller on August 19, 2014 at 7:26pm

Freethinker, if there was an exodus out of Egypt, there should be evidence somewhere which doesn't depend on the bible or any portion of that document.  To date, I am aware of no such evidence, archeological or otherwise.  I would heartily suggest you cite yours if you wish to so assert.

Comment by Freethinker31 on August 19, 2014 at 5:23pm

@Michael Planko.....You may be right  about Passover....so much  is  fantasy,  but there was an exodus out of Egypt, although  the dates  are  different and it wasn't  filled  with miracles...But  I would  still  encourage  you  to join  with your family  and  celebrate the holiday...It is still a wonderful  celebration...

Comment by Michael Pianko on August 19, 2014 at 4:54pm
We know that Adonai our god is imaginary and always was imaginary. And as I remember, the Passover Haggadah has very little actual story in it, it does not jibe with the English in exodus in my Jewish publication society tanakh, and we realize the exodus is imaginary. Why waste two whole evenings praising, glorifying, extolling, and thanking our imaginary lord for an exodus which is a myth? I still go to my family's Passover Seder but only to avoid feeling too guilty about myself for not seeing my relatives on the holiday.
Comment by Luara on August 19, 2014 at 3:46am

Give me one reason why I should respect another person's belief that is based on the old testament, new testament, or Koran.

FT was asking for respect for people's culture - whatever that means - not respect for their beliefs.

But:  what beliefs do you respect, and what do you mean by respecting a belief?

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 18, 2014 at 7:06pm

Give me one reason why I should respect another person's belief that is based on the old testament, new testament, or Koran. From what I have read and observed, the Abrahamic religions are hate-mongering religions. 

Comment by Freethinker31 on August 18, 2014 at 6:09pm

@ Michael.....I saw  parts  one and two and  what was wrong were  the dates.   Instead of  12000BCE it was  700 BCE... the characters and story  is true...The Exodus may have  gone  a different  route but Moses was a Great Scholar who did  most of the writing  of the laws which became  part  of the Torah....I may have to do more  research though...I t does  seem the Hebrews  went by many  names  over the years including  the Canaanites.....Very educational, it seems my roots   go back pretty far.... 


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