I am proud to be an Atheist and I enjoy  discussing various  topics  on A/N......I may  not believe in God  or all the  fables  in the  Old or New testament, but some of us do believe in traditions from our culture  unrelated  to any Theistic  belief.....Maybe  being  Jewish  is unique, because it is a rich culture with  a very long history as well as being a religious faith......I may  have  rejected the religious  part but  certain traditions are important to me  because  they define  who I am and  where  I came from....People  who have  roots in various  countries  of the world may  no longer  believe in their ancestral  religion  but  still are proud  of the culture  from which  they came......It defines  us.......Some traditions of a certain culture, many  may not agree with,  but it is important  to respect  them none the less....

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Comment by Luara on August 21, 2014 at 7:51pm

There were hundreds of his types

Yes, and Israel was traumatized by the Roman occupation and probably full of apocalyptic prophets for that reason.  Just like the Native Americans who imagined the land would roll up in the end of the world and take the white people away. 

And the Romans crucified a lot of people. 

Bart Ehrman wrote Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth in response to Jesus mythicism, to explain why academic experts are almost all sure Jesus was historical.

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 21, 2014 at 7:21pm

What difference does it make? The stories tell of ancient events, some actual events, some made up and possible, some made up and outlandish. 

God gave a land to the Israelites? How can god give something to someone when there is no god? How can there be slavery when there is no sign of slavery, only stories that are created in the minds and imaginations of human beings? How can there be an exodus when there was no enslavement? How can there be a promised land when the god claimed as having authority to give land is a construct in the minds of human beings? 

Why defend a fable? 

Comment by Pat on August 21, 2014 at 6:40pm

Here's my thoughts on the late and not so great JC. There may very well have been an itinerant street preacher named Yeshua (transliterated to Joshua, and once again to the Greek and Roman Jesus). During that period of time in that location, there were lots of rabble rousers who were opposed to Roman occupation and Roman rule. Maybe he had his ass nailed to a crossbeam for speaking his mind in opposition to the Temple priests and/or Roman rulers, and maybe not. No one will ever really know. And, other than an historical anomaly, I really don't give a shit! There were hundreds of his types during that period of history.  

The very first "biography" of him was written 80 years after his death. Kind of like the very first biography of Abraham Lincoln being written at the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt. Give me a f&*^%#g break!!!! I'm supposed to believe the gospels are accurate?! Yeah, and so is Pee Wee Herman's Playhouse! Oh, and did I mention he was his own father without ever having had sex with his mother. Buy that one, and for a low, low price, I'll be glad to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge!!

Comment by Michael Pianko on August 21, 2014 at 6:33pm
The written evidence in favor of the so called historical jesus does not start until about 325 ad.
Comment by Freethinker31 on August 21, 2014 at 6:04pm

@Michael Pianko......Jesus  did exist as a simple  carpenter  turned  prophet...Everything else though is probably  false....

Comment by Michael Pianko on August 21, 2014 at 5:55pm
Go to yahoo or some search engine and search for "Jesus never existed". Try looking at what people posted about it on YouTube also. There is even a documentary posted to YouTube about how The Jesus Christ myth evolved... You can find titles of books and articles about how the myth of Jesus was totally fabricated, how the 12 disciples are related to the 12 signs of the zodiac, how many cultures had stories about a magical man being born of a virgin and coming back to life...
Comment by Idaho Spud on August 21, 2014 at 12:09pm

What a horrible waste of time, talent, and mental ability.  That's what I think when these kinds of things are shown on TV.  Thinking of the waste, I just can't enjoy that part of history.

Comment by Luara on August 21, 2014 at 11:35am

It is also mindblowing to think that all the cathedrals that have been built, the papacy, the thousands of religious art items, etc. etc. etc. - all are based on the fantasy that a cult leader in the first century, was God!

Comment by Freethinker31 on August 21, 2014 at 11:15am

@Luara....You may be right....I probably need to eat Humble Pie.....After reviewing the many  videos and articles offered  by my fellow members,It does seem like  the story of the Exodus  was all hype.....It broke my heart to come to this conclusion and has totally obliterated  my loyalty  to my former faith.....I may be a late hold out, but  it does seem the entire basis of religion is a hoax, no different  from a Cult....We were  all indoctrinated  with  these Bible stories from birth...Many of you have come to this conclusion  way  before  it came to me.......I admit  I feel betrayed but now am set free.....I can now say  I am 100%  Atheist with  confidence, realizing I  wasn't before.

Comment by Luara on August 21, 2014 at 6:55am

Here's what the book The Bible Unearthed has to say about the historical roots of the Exodus story:

Many aspects of the Exodus story point to most of it being constructed about 700 BCE.

However, the outlines of the Exodus story are mentioned in writings before 700 BC.  The authors write:

It is clear that the saga of liberation from Egypt was not composed as an original work in the seventh century BCE.  The main outlines of the story were certainly known long before, in the allusions to the Exodus and the wandering in the wilderness contained in the oracles of the prophets ... Both shared a memory of a great event in history that concerned liberation from Egypt and took place in the distant past.

The Hyksos people, probably from Canaan, occupied Egypt about 1800 to 1500 BCE.  It might have been a peaceful colonization or a military invasion.  They were eventually driven out. 

According to Wikipedia, the major pyramids in Egypt were not built during the Hyksos occupation.

That seems to be the historical reality behind the Exodus story.  The authors write:

The saga of Israel's Exodus from Egypt is neither historical truth nor literary fiction.  It is a powerful expression of memory and hope born in a world in the midst of change.  ... Passover proves to be not a single event but a continuing experience of national resistance against the powers that be. 


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