In the two years since I was last here..

I have almost died.

Which sent me to the hospital for a few weeks.

Had my dog hit by a car the week I got out of the hospital.

She lost a leg.

After two years lost my home.

Had to give up said dog.  That one still hurts.

Had to leave Oregon for California to live with family.

And now I live with my Dad and his fifth wife and they are Christian fundamentalist.

Depression wise I am doing well, but I have losing my mind as I have been preached to almost everyday for 6 months.  If there is one thing I could do with out to make things okay is if I could stop being asked one question by the new step mom.

Would I pray for her if she was on her death bed? 

Next time I know I am being called a bad person for saying no to such a thing and the argument goes on and on till I just have to walk away because she can never see how I can not believe in a god.


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Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on January 28, 2017 at 4:16pm

I can't imagine your daily life. Talking about your stress here is a positive step, at least.

Is there a metaphor that could help her understand "agree to disagree" with someone who doesn't share your world view?


Comment by Nick Walker on January 28, 2017 at 3:52pm

To Thomas Murray.

She does not have her own kids.  Just myself and step children from her late former husband.

To Loren Miller.

I've been down that road with her and she just wont have any of it.  Nothing can change the fact she knows god and he speaks to her through the Holy Ghost.

To Michael Penn.

She knows prayer works end of topic with her.  

The toilet was stopped up and as my dad was trying to fix it she was praying and saying "in Jesus name" over and over again.  Well after 2 days and having to remove the toilet to fix something the toilet was fixed.  So see praying works.

Comment by Michael Penn on January 28, 2017 at 3:49pm

This is off topic, Nick, but here it is for what it's worth. In my usual discussions with theists they want to debate you and approach the god issue with "either/or" thinking. That just doesn't work and they have great fear. Yesterday one told me "you can either believe in god or commit suicide." The suicide issue came into it again as he went on. I made my answer very plain and also told him he had a problem.

Why would I want to kill myself if there was no god? I got no answer.

Comment by Thomas Murray on January 28, 2017 at 1:48pm

WOW!..... you gone from hell to death march of decadence!

Don't your step mom have her own bio kids to pray for her on her death bed or did they desert her too?

Comment by Loren Miller on January 26, 2017 at 6:59am

I know what you'd LIKE to tell them:

Look, get it from my side.  To me, your god is nowhere to be found.  Pointing to the beauty of nature doesn't work; there are explanations for it that work far better than "goddidit," and we can use those explanations to make our lives better.  There are also some things out there which are phenomenally UGLY, and your god is just as responsible for them.  Your god teaches us nothing about medicine or technology or ecology, none of it.  All he does is insist that we believe in him or go to a hell which is as lacking in evidence as heaven is, or god himself, for that matter.

And don't get me started on Jesus.  I mean, a god who impregnates a woman, so he can give birth to himself, then sacrifice himself to forgive the world for a circumstance HE set up in the first place?!?  Tail-chasing madness, that's what that is.  And you can save the "where do you get your morality from" business, too.  I DON'T get it from a book which supports slavery and the treating of women as chattel.  My morality comes from the desire to live and get along with the people around me, to contribute to their good and take benefit from the group in return.  There's barely a word in your bible about that, and I have to wonder why.

And here's a closing thought from a guy named Stephen Roberts: "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

Believe me, Nick, I get that you're in a rough position, and it's possible that saying anything like the above would be catastrophic to your current situation.  Still ... you can THINK it, and maybe let parts leak out here and there.

Best of luck, bro.

Comment by Michael Penn on January 26, 2017 at 6:51am

First off, welcome back. I'm sorry for all your misfortune.

Would you pray for the step mom if she was on her death bed? Can anyone show an example of times that this strategy ever worked? Outside of the Buybull when has praying for someone who is dying ever accomplished anything?

BTW, she never will never see how you cannot believe in a god. She has sunsets, babies, etc. to prove creation so god must have done it.



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