Charlie Check'm - What the 'Atheist' Rapper thinks About Gays


What Does ‘Atheist’ Rapper, Charlie Check’M Think About Gays?

All quotes from this thread:

“I will sell regardless of how many pro-gay Atheists don't like me.”

“I"m an Atheist and I'm against gay marriage for the same reason I'm against people marrying their pets.”

“…I don't support sibling marriage, human and pet marriage AND gay marriage.” “I wouldn't support sibling marriage and I wouldn't support gay marriage.” “I'm an Atheist and I’m against gay marriage. Why? it's because it would be unfair to a man who wants to marry his daughter or a woman who wants to marry her dog or siblings wanting to marry each other.”

“My argument isn't irrational. If gays are allowed to marry, that would be unfair to siblings who want to marry each other.”

“… gay marriage is a result of a mental disorder for the gays who became gay due to some kind of trauma and THAT'S been verified.”

“Here's my source”

“I don't hate gays. I just think they have an acceptable mental disorder.”

“If you want to include 100's of studies, you have to come to the conclusion that homosexuality is an acceptable mental disorder.
You would love for Psychologists to just stop researching now while you're ahead but the studies will go on and there are new things to discover so don't get your hopes up.”

Asked to supply evidence that gay people have 'something wrong with their brains' and what exactly is this 'something wrong'?
“You can find it here” That's a website that promotes the latest scientific studies on homosexuals.

[Narth is a right-wing fundamentalist Christian organization that has been discredited by the mainstream scientific community, shown to have repeatedly misquoted and misrepresented the work of real scientists, and has also been dismissed in an American court of law for being ideologically biased.]

Responding to: “[The people at NARTH] are religious bigots trying to hide behind what they call science.
“Now you're just making up stuff. First of all, you're out right LYING. Gay scientists have been caught masquering [sic] gay activism as science. You're accusing them of what your fellow gays are doing.”

“… the people at Narth promote scientific studies from REAL SCIENTISTS. They're not bigots like you are. You're a bigot towards ANYONE who knows something is wrong with gay people's brain.”

“Narth list several studies from several psychologists. It would be wrong to discredit every one of the studies. Pro-gay scientists have been caught masquerading gay activism as science but pro-gays won't complain about that. They would probably encourage any dishonesty that helps the gay movement.” [emphasis added]

[And as if drawing ‘evidence’ from NARTH wasn’t enough, Charlie Check’m also uses the Christian fundamentalist, discredited, Family Research Institute to support his claims!]

Pro-gay bias study of pedophilia

“The problem with research today is they need to start tricking the gay interviewees because there has been evidence of LIES told by gay people during interviews. So, they need to somehow trick the gay interviewees during the interview so the gay people can be honest. There has also has been evidence of gay psychologists masquering [sic] gay activism as science.”

“You must don't realize how easy it is for GAY scientists to rig a study. Keep in mind that the studies involve interviews with gay people. The question is, will gay people tell truth? HELL NO. They are die hard and they will lie, cheat and do what ever it takes to deceive people into thinking they aren't crazy.”

“Gay people are defined by being attracted to the wrong sex. So the very thing that makes them gay stems from a result of being molested or raped. It should be obvious that they have some kind of sexual attraction disorder. Some of them are gay because they're suffering from GID. That's been proven. The percentages are uncertain because gays lie a lot because they're trying so hard to prove they're normal.” [emphasis added]

“It's not my fault that they [gays] literally hate anyone who exposes the truth about them. They label anyone who opposes gay marriage a homophobic.”

“Pro-gay Bigots will lie and just make up ANYTHING to downplay ANYONE who knows gays are attracted to the wrong gender … PRO-GAYS WILL LIE.”

“… If you were a scientist and you discovered that homosexuality is a mental disorder, would you report it to the media or would you pretend you never discovered it? YOU WOULD DENY IT AND DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE YOU ARE BIGOTED TOWARDS ANYONE WHO DOESN'T SHARE YOUR GAY VIEWS.”

“I bet you wouldn't question a gay psychologist KNOWING he or she is probably bias. Even if you discovered a bias study by a gay pscyhologists, you probably wouldn't expose it. You would probably just keep it to yourself and continue calling ANYONE homophobic who admits that gays ar attracted to the wrong gender.”

“I"m saying that you're bias. There's a good chance that you're gay being the fact that you're so bias” [emphasis added]

“.. There have also been gay psychologists masquering [sic] gay activism as science.

Several psychologists are gay. That's something to keep in mind.”

“Atheists shouldn't have anything to do with gays.” “…Atheists primary concern should be Atheist rights, not gay rights. It seems as though gays are trying to turn the Atheist movement into a gay/Atheist movement.”

“Some of you gay people have no problem with downplaying other people's "RIGHTS" but you want to have your way. Well, gay marriage is just as bad sibling marriage …”

“I think if gay marriage became normalized, gay people believe they would have a better chance of seducing straight people. Lesbians even have a name for lesbians who prey on straight women. They're called recruiters.

“So, I believe gay marriage could be a psychological [sic] bomb to make straight people more gay-friendly and it's all for the sake of successful seduction of straight people.”

“I just think something is wrong with their brains.”

“Gay people are defined by being attracted to the wrong sex. So the very thing that makes them gay stems from a result of being molested or raped. It should be obvious that they have some kind of sexual attraction disorder"

“… people have became gay due to sexual molestation, rape ect [sic]”

“I never said EVERY gay person is gay due to sexual molestation. I SAID people have became gay due to sexual molestation.”
“ I never said ALL GAYS have been molested. I said gay people can become gay due to molestation or rape. Their have been case studies to confirm this. Some people who have been molested don't become gay because they are STRONGER. Also, if they receive some kind of therapy shortly after they've been molested, they're less likely to be gay.”

“I agree that some people are born gay which is a brain defect.”

“I don't hate you. I just think something is wrong with your brain.”

“It's just a fact of life that there are people with twisted brains who are attracted to the wrong gender. What does bother me are child molesters because they're making some people turn gay.” [emphasis added]

Quoting from NARTH: “There are occasional scientific attempts to deny or obscure the fact that a disproportionately high percentage of active homosexuals also molest children. These studies are invariably afflicted with one or more fatal flaws.” [emphasis added]

“…being lefted handed is no where near as twisted as having a part of the wrong gender's brain.”
“You said that I said, Left-Handed People Are Twisted - My reply,
That's a big lie. I never said anything about left-handed people”

“There is something twisted about being attracted to the wrong sex.”
“Just because I know some gay people are born with the wrong gender's brain doesn't mean I hate them.”

“I'm not prejudice against gays. I just know some of them became gay because they were raped. I also know that some of them have the wrong gender's brain. It's a fact. “

“When a male has a brain similar to a females, THAT'S A PROBLEM.”

“… gay Atheists don't seem to give a DAMN about everyone's rights. As a matter of a fact, I've witnessed gay Atheists not giving a damn about Atheists rights if the Atheist opposes their views about gays.”

“A gay scientists could simply lie about a study just like a Christian scientist could. Pro-gay Atheist would catch the Christian scientist hoax but probably not the gay scientist hoax because some Atheists are suffering from Christian-phobia. Keep in mind that I'm a strong Atheist and I'm totally against The belief in God and religion [sic]. I happen to think Christians and gays have a lot in common. Gay people want to hold on to the Atheist movement because they're suffering from Christian-phobia so they turn to Atheist to help them fight against Christians.”

“I think some gays are suffering [sic] from Christian-phobia or even heterophobia.”
“Sounds like you're suffering from Christian-phobia.”
“I think you're suffering from Christian-phobia”
“You're so much suffering from Christian-phobia.”
“You must be suffering from Christian-phobia. “

“Christians have told me I'm not an Atheist also.”
“I'm one of the strongest Atheist you would ever meet. How many Atheist will walk around with a t-shirt that displays "God is imaginary"

“Gays are in denial about being attracted to the wrong sex.”

“It seems like gays are trying to change the meaning of homophobic to apply pressure on people to view homosexuality as normal.”

“Deep down gays know something is wrong with them. So to counter that, they try to convince as many people as possible that nothing is wrong with them so they can feel better about themselves. Homosexuals don't want any barriers stopping them from seducing the person (gay or straight) of their choice. A major barrier is the way heterosexuals view homosexuality. In order for homosexuals to increase their chances of seducing the straight person of their choice, they need to convince as many people as possible to accept the gay lifestyle. The more heterosexuals accept the gay life style, the better chance gays will have of succeeding in seducing the straight person of their choice … Gays are hateful towards anyone who might say ANYTHING that will interfere with gays attempting to seduce the straight person of their choice.”

“Are you telling me it's not a fact that plenty gays would have a sexual relationship with a a straight person who they find EXTREMELY attractive if they are able to convince them? The gay community have people call "recruiters". These are gays who specifically prey on heterosexual people. This is a fact.”

“Playing the victim role is one of the many tactics gays use to try and downplay ANYONE who simply opposes their gay views.”

“Gays have a habit of labeling ANYONE who opposes gay marriage "homophobic"”

“Gay people think everyone has the potential of being gay.”

“…You're not mature enough to accept the fact that you're attracted to the wrong sex”

“It's irrational to assume everyone who's against gay marriage is homophobic. I'm against gay marriage but that doesn't make me homophobic. Admitting that gays are attracted to the wrong gender doesn't make a person homophobic”

“So if you think a person can be sexually attracted to the wrong species (horses), you should understand why I think a person can be sexually attracted to the wrong gender.”


“Gays including gay Atheists who label people homophobic are irrational.”

“I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won

I'm done......I won






I rest my case.

HERE'S MY GOOD BYE PRESENT...Yes the rapper is me. I'm Charlie Check'm”

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Comment by Jason Spicer on August 10, 2009 at 1:41pm
@The Irreverent Mr Black--"Charbie" perfectly captures this nonsense.

I dig the new Cut and Paste policy. Really, if people don't have anything of their own to say, why post? And if they want to reference something else, why spew 40 pages onto A|N servers when they can just link? I think this policy should be broadly applied, especially to the tinfoil hat brigade. A fair use sampling is appropriate to give A|N readers a sense of the source material, but using A|N as a dumping ground for nonsense is just abusive.

BTW, I think "The Reverend IMB" would make a great rapper handle.
Comment by Richard Haynes on August 10, 2009 at 11:41am
Stephen, believe me, I understand. We had to deal with this issue a lot when the site first started. We had to clarify what it really meant to be an atheist. At that point, we decided it was best to only enforce the strictest definition, and only theists were banned. We have now expanded it to bigotry against gender, sexual orientation, and race. Who knows what the future holds.

Once we start making the box smaller, it becomes difficult to determine where we draw the line. We have found that it is better to build a wide fence and let people have fun within it, rather than putting people on leashes (if that makes sense). This is why for now, members are dealt with on a case by case basis.
Comment by Richard Haynes on August 10, 2009 at 11:35am
Méabh, yeah I meant Barbie.

Right now I am only talking about bigotry. Not all atheists are naturalists, humanists, skeptics, etc. I want to give the other wackos members their fair chance to exchange their beliefs. However, once they do, they are open game. If they resort to copy and paste arguments, and are not open to communication, we will deal with them on a case by case basis.
Comment by Daniel W on August 10, 2009 at 11:26am
His friend Barbie joined, then copied and pasted his prior material again. The discussions that followed appeared to be with eithr Charlie at the Keyboard, pretending to be Barbie, or with Charlie instructing Barbie, or just with Barbie who completely bought into the same stuff - complete with the same phrasing, methods of discussing, and typos. Charlie can't quit milking it - he still hasn't figured out that it's a steer.

So the lightning hit the merry-go-round again. Fortunately, it looks like the the kids are off safely now.
Comment by Little Name Atheist on August 10, 2009 at 11:24am
Brother Richard wrote: As of now, anyone who basically copies and pastes the same tired attempts of an argument, will be automatically banned. There will be no questions asked and no answers given.

Does this also include the crap the tin-foil hat brigade posts on the site?
Comment by Little Name Atheist on August 10, 2009 at 11:18am
So, Richard... I take it that you meant "barbie" when you wrote "Buffy" earlier?
Comment by Richard Haynes on August 10, 2009 at 10:53am
Daniél, thanks for the kind words. I too get tired of the same old arguments. I think this is one of the reasons people think atheists are all cranky and mean. After all, there are only a handful of reasons for god belief, and there hasn't been a new one in a few hundred years. I always try to remind myself that there are always baby (or new) nonbelievers that still need the milk and pablum of reason.

Dave, I used to say that I like women because I am a lesbian trapped inside a man's body. Fortunately, I have a wife, two daughters, two female dogs, and a female cat to remind me that being female is much more than sexuality. Thank Godzilla they are gentle with my uncomplicated and inferior man. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
Comment by Daniel W on August 10, 2009 at 9:53am
@Bro Richard, once again you demonstrate patience, wisdom, and rightousness. Once again, thank you (although I would not have been as patient).

Demonstrating my craggy old age, Bob Newhart used to have a routine where listeners only heard his side of a telephone conversation. Reading this has a BobNewhartian gestalt. But with far more intensity.

Having heard a lifetime of prejudiced & specious arguments like Charles was making, I've discovered that I'm really worn out about it. In my workplace, which is public and serves a broad cross-section of the population, I often walk past homophobic bumperstickers in the parking lot. Then I go inside, not knowing who those stickers belong to, and do my best to serve everyone's needs without question and without assumption. It wears on me. The A|N community here was on CharlieBarbieBarbie like a duck on a Junebug, so I'm glad for that.

A|N has been a respite for me, with often thoughtful, friendly, insightful, topics and conversations. I've had to learn more than I want about trolls - there are forum topics here and here. Charlies, Barbie Sunshine, and Barbie fit the descriptions for trolls. As Felch noted in the Troll 101 topic, if not for the trolling, Charles would still be headed for The UK and would still be representing A|N, if not for his trolling, so there is a silver lining to that shitcloud.
Comment by AK47 on August 10, 2009 at 9:00am
Mr Black that is supposed to be your new hip-hop name. I thought we were setting up a gig man. Don't you want to kick it with us in the UK? I'm sure most straight men would be happy to stay with two girlie lesbians. :P We can get you all blinged up and dressed in real nice B-Boy threads. lol
Comment by Santa Maria on August 10, 2009 at 8:30am
I missed all this. I'm guessing all 'Barbie's' posts have been deleted which I'm quite glad about because he has caused my partner and I enough offence and hurt. I am glad this organisation has stood it's ground because that man is a threat to the freethought community. I really don't want to read another word typed by that horrible little man. Charlie Check'm will NEVER be welcome in the UK, especially in our home.


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