By now you've probably heard about the "Godless" billboard that was removed after less than 3 days of being up because threats were made to the property owner. Proving Atheist discrimination is alive and well. Something the world doesn't seem to notice often, but is becoming more and more blatantly obvious each day.

What do you feel is the solution for this?

I am at a loss, it seems no matter how hard we fight for Gay rights, Pro choice issues, Atheist equality, it's just so much to do with so little recourse. Is there really nothing more we can do than wait for the evolutionary process to take its road, hopefully leading us to a more understanding, rational and accepting society?

I watch Star Trek TNG, and for any of you who also watch this you know that the Earth and human civilization are portrayed roughly 300 years from now. Mankind has put religion aside, it is no longer the driving force behind everything, it has in fact become secondary and a personal thing for each individual. Not a political/moral standpoint. I like the Star Trek world, I hope that one day we can be as civil as they are but do we really have to wait hundreds or even thousands of years for that? And even if we do wait it out, will we be lucky enough to EVER reach that point?

What do you think?

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Comment by Paul Lin on November 17, 2009 at 1:03pm
The most fatal inherent weakness of religion is that it is a lie. When a person lies, he has to make up more lies to over the first lie. As time passes, he will eventually get caught and lose his credibility.

Children who are brainwashed by religion as a child eventually will wake up disillusioned and turn against their own religion. If there are a lot of them turning against religion, we'll see a spectacular destruction of religion, like the fall of the wall in Berlin.
Comment by Marcus Craven on November 17, 2009 at 12:49pm
The longer this fight goes on the better we look. The more we learn the better we look. The more they preach and cling to the past they worse they look. We need to get to there children like they try to get to ours and teach them the truth. Then it will not only be the brightest of us who sees the truth. We have to stop the evil brain washing zombies!
Comment by Paul Lin on November 14, 2009 at 11:57pm
It's ok. It doesn't matter if we lose a small battle. As long as we win the final battle, we win the war.

According to my calculation, the size of the non-religious population in the US increases 3% every year since 1990. The trend is very likely to continue.
Comment by Sarah Elle on November 14, 2009 at 4:03pm
Thanks for the book suggestion Kevin! I'm gonna check that out. Jared- That song is awful lol...

Duane- Of course not, I'm not a lay down and die kinda gal :)

Jeff- I agree, the more I think about this the more I realize that this is probably working for our favor. It just seems so childish and unfair that it was removed, but hey, if it brings more attention to it, maybe it was for the best!

Maybe we should even thank the crazy theists for getting Atheism some national air time, man, would that sure piss them off! haha :p

John- Wouldn't it be great if there was a god and all the bigoted theists were the ones under the influence of the devil? Hahaha, ironic.

Thanks to everyone for your comments, I happen to agree with almost everything said here. With plenty of time and people willing to fight for this, eventually we will become not only respected but hopefully a majority. Ah, a world without religion, I know I won't live to see that day but I hope before I die I begin to see more changes! Thanks again everyone.
Comment by John C on November 14, 2009 at 11:58am
Duane, I avoid thinking about that question. I fear my answer.

I actually think the situation is much better than we (I guess I should only speak for myself) I tend to think. I think our progress is accelerative in nature. The closer to people's minds godlessness gets the more absurd the theists' reactions seem. This billboard is a perfect example. And the more rational we get, the more irrational they seem to get. How long now before the people on the fence start wondering what the hardcore theists are so afraid of?
Comment by Lorien on November 13, 2009 at 11:32pm
There are no gawds, just Q.
Comment by Jared Lardo on November 13, 2009 at 10:54pm
Am I the only one who's reminded of The Sign?
Comment by Billy Deaton on November 13, 2009 at 9:01pm
If the atheist billboard were removed because of threats and that made the move than the billboards did a better job of getting the message out than originally planned.

Every episode with these billboards paints atheists as the needlessly persecuted and theists as unreasonable, which is true.

The best thing atheists can do is maintain a rational and cool headed approach when it comes to issues like this. We've seen America back minorities who demand rights and recognition before.
Comment by Joey on November 13, 2009 at 7:07pm
If it makes you feel any better, we're getting closer and closer to equality each time. It's just taking way longer than it should. I think what pisses me off the most is the fact that the people we're fighting against are the exact same type of people that fought against racial equality for so long and demanded women stay barefoot, pregnant, and kitchenbound. (We're not really supposed to say that in public, though.)

We're making incremental progress in the US. 50 years ago we'd have probably been called Communists and jailed if we admitted to being nonreligious in public. 100 years ago we'd have probably been legally killed, or at least the law would've looked the other way, which is the same thing. Ditto for an admission of homosexuality.

The bigots are still putting up a hell of a fight. They still attack women/gay/religious rights every chance they get. The good news is that their numbers are decreasing, even if it doesn't feel like it. We're getting there, even if it isn't nearly as fast as we wish we could.

So the solution is to keep pushing. We're winning.
Comment by Kevin Morgan on November 13, 2009 at 5:04pm
The whole anti-gay thing is solely a religious one. It's against the bible so it's bad. I really can't stand all these hypocrites and their "personal" interpretations of the bible. The way they can justify what they do as OK even if it's in the bible as being bad. Aren't we supposed to stone adulterers?

Star Trek is a really good place to look for a system of secular ethics. A really good book is "The Ethics of Star Trek" which I highly recommend.

In the end It's all about power and control. What really amazes me are all the closeted republicans who are so militantly anti-gay outside of their closets. It's self hate taken to the next level. IMO.


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