The reason behind Catholic Clerical Pedophilia

Why are there so many Catholic priests who molest little children, especially boys, all around the world?

I'll start a list:
1. Their religion forbids them to marry or engage in sexual activity. They are to be celibate for life, or risk losing their careers and livelihood and dignity. Is this not already a sick act? It is unnatural and inhuman to forbid someone from EVER engaging in any sexual activity for fear of burning forever in hell. They instead become sick repressed individuals whose sex lives have been ruined by the Church.

2. They have control over children. Priests are often alone with kids. They are their confessors, their choir instructors, their Biblical guides. The children will either fear him or respect him and admire him a lot. They are vulnerable to being terrified into silence by this. The priest risks a lot less risk of discovery than if he'd have just gone to a male prostitute (ask Ted Haggard).

3. Many of them are just pedophiles. When in a final explosion, that is only natural to expect of a sick individual, that pushes them finally to any sexual contact, the cowards go for the easiest route: the children, the weakest target and the least-likely to cause discovery. If we're going to have a sex offender registry, people like this need to put on it. They do not need to be put in situations where they could be in control of children.

4. Christianity is sado-masochistic. According to the teachings of Christianity, every single one of us drove the nails through Jesus. We were complicit in his execution and his spilled blood. So every Sunday at mass we should drink the blood and eat the flesh, which sounds so much like nothing more than a masochistic ritual. We helped kill him so now he is our savior, and we have to drink his blood and praise him eternally for how good he was to us. We are sick, depraved people who can only be saved if we accept Jesus Christ as our lord and savior. That is the world-view of a Catholic priest, who worships that God that has himself tortured (Jesus is God after all) and forces all of us to praise him for doing that to himself and for saving us from his own wrath.

I could go on, but this is my main view of why child molestation is especially rampant among Catholic priests.

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Comment by TNT666 on February 20, 2010 at 7:46pm
As soon as sex ed is properly taught in schools, a vast majority of teens will be fully conscious of their bodies and capable of resisting the advances of elders. To me it's the very nature of christian influence in teaching in our schools that causes this perverted situation.

I find it VERY important to distinguish pedophilia from hebephilia (as set by law, not on a case per case basis). Teenagers getting into sticky situations with priests or other elders should be able to sue their own parents for improper education! It's a disgrace that reflects onto the parents as much as on the perps.

Children entering puberty at age 5... yes indeed I've heard of the 9 y/o pregnant Guatemalan kid. But these cases are extremely rare, medical anomalies, which lie beyond 2 SDs. As a society, we should be able to quantify the age of puberty for the majority of humans, and set our legal standards accordingly.
The point I am disagreeing with Chrys on is that the sex of the victim does say something about the sexual preference of the perp. The studies that she provided completely sidestep this issue or deny it completely. If it's male on male then it homosexual, if it's male on female then it's heterosexual. final. Her studies point to gays being less prone than heterosexuals, well OF COURSE if you completely omit to factor in the sex of the victim!

Our(CA) ridiculous Conservative government passed a new law in 2008 moving the age of consent from 14 to 16 for heterosexuals and to 18 for gay sex. This law has been declared NON constitutional by three provinces and will be fought. I'm in disagreement with the new law as well. I think our entire society is headed to societal prolongation of childhood because we are now living longer lives through drugs and such. I disagree with this trend entirely. Children need to be taught to be ready for life. Taught to be able to say yes or no.

But of course our school systems now teach obedience above all, in teaching middle class company skill sets, of course our children are not prepared to say NO, they are taught to obey, obey, obey. As usual, Canadian legislation, as time goes by, becomes more and more like USA legislation. Soon our two corporate identities will be one. And we'll still have closet gays becoming priests/pastors and what not...
Comment by Gliktch on February 20, 2010 at 6:59pm
TNT666, you seem unaware that some children enter puberty as young as 5 years old. The position you appear to be supporting (also shared by large sects of Islam), that of 'if it bleeds, it breeds', is disgustingly simplistic. I would agree with you on the idea that 'age of consent' is ALSO overly simplistic and other factors should be taken into account - I know several 20-somethings who really aren't mentally mature enough that they should be engaging in sex, let alone procreative sex, and can imagine some 14- or 15-year-olds may have a much better grasp on reality and consequences etc than many over-age persons... But simply substituting one single physiological/biological factor (onset or even culmination of puberty) for another (physical age since birth) does little to help, and you KNOW there would be hordes of perverts taking advantage of such a mentality/legislature if what you talk about ever became the prevailing position. Age-based consent law is far from perfect, there will always be people marginalised or forsaken on either side of the goalpost, but until someone comes up with something that is both workable and leaves less room for loopholes and abuse, it's the best we have. Unless you actually wish to advocate grown men and women having sexual intercourse with 9, 10, 11-year-olds (you did say 'beyond' puberty), I would suggest revising your 'beyond puberty is A-OK' line.

Finally, I would point out that if priests were screwing handfuls of ADULT parishioners, there would still rightly be reasons to protest (and pursue legal action), as they should be held to the same standards as other types of counsellors or mental health workers, since they seem to want to play in that particular sandbox.
Comment by Gary Epstein on February 20, 2010 at 6:11pm
I see a much more generic issue. The Catholic faith believes that sex itself is a sin. Even simple pleasuring of self is enough to answer for at the confession booth.
Comment by TNT666 on February 20, 2010 at 2:00pm
@Chrys. These studies were mostly in a context of homosexual "self defence" against accusations of "gays are pedophiles" which religious people tend to think. I am totally not of that opinion. The studies you present are biased in their approach because their aim is to disprove the accusation, which they achieve, to a point.

But conclusions such the last line of your comment: "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women"

The problem with the studies you present is they exclude victims' sex from the equation. In none of your presented studies to they present the percentages of female/male victims. That is because peds don't usually attack both sexes. The men in the study who preferred boys and had not been with other men are simply repressed gays.

One is not usually a "repressed heterosexual" right. These studies are fine arguments against idiotic religious homophobic comments, but they are at the same time very biased in discounting child sex selection from the het/homo process.

I too completely separate the immorality of peds vs hebs. IMO anyone beyond puberty should be ready for sex and it should not be considered criminal. I am only interested in numbers of prepubescents.
Comment by Gliktch on February 20, 2010 at 10:21am
Statistics are useful, yes, but understanding what is going on inside the minds of predators/abusers is key to combating them, or at least so that we may do whatever we can to preempt their very existence by nipping any identifiable precursor conditions in the bud. Also, from what I gather most of the 'opinions' being posted have at least some validity as extrapolations of real-world data, which is always needed; data means nothing until it is interpreted.
Comment by Gliktch on February 20, 2010 at 8:39am
As pointed out, child molestation is often driven by the same urges as rape - having power over a vulnerable individual. It's something done by weak, pathetic scumbags who feel worthless (gee, I wonder if their religion might fuel that, hmm?) to try and make themselves feel powerful. It's an act of violence, using sex and shame as a weapon to subjugate another human being; while many pedofails (not a typo) tend to be focussed on one gender, this is often secondary to simple factors of availablility of vulnerable targets (meaning, if they have access to boys & girls they'll take what they prefer, but if not, then they'll take whatever's going).

There are a few major reasons why you hear about more abusive priests than in the rest of the population; firstly there's the point that it will get reported more - there are lowlifes in your city every day being busted for diddling their daughters or whatever every week, you just don't tend to hear about them as much, because (very sadly), that's not breaking news any more...

Secondly, ANY time you elevate a class of people above their deserved status, whenever you tell your kids someone is 'holy' or has a magic connection to the creator of the universe, whenever anyone teaches their children to accept absurdities and twisted misrepresentations of reality, rather than properly arming them with critical thinking skills and teaching them the value of independence, whenever they are taught to keep quiet about issues of sex (or just to keep quiet in general), instead of allowing and encouraging them to express themselves freely, - then you are failing as a parent and will be leaving them ripe for abuse. I know it's not politically correct to apportion any of the blame on the parents, but it needs to be said. You have a DUTY to do your best to prepare your children to succeed in the world, and if you teach them to have undue respect and trust for 'men of the cloth', or teach them that goblins and dragons and angels and all that crap is real, DESPITE having access to facts to the contrary, well... you've failed as a parent.
Comment by Eric R. on February 20, 2010 at 7:40am
Thanks for the stats and the link to the study Chrys. Those are very interesting and helpful.
Comment by Chrys Stevenson on February 20, 2010 at 5:16am
For TNT666:

"... many child molesters cannot be meaningfully described as homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals (in the usual sense of those terms) because they are not really capable of a relationship with an adult man or woman. Instead of gender, their sexual attractions are based primarily on age. These individuals – who are often characterized as fixated – are attracted to children, not to men or women.

Using the fixated-regressed distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) studied 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child. None of the men had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180).

Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).

... in one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:
Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).

In a more recent literature review, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy (1998) similarly cautioned against confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. He noted, "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women" (p. 259)."


David France, a former senior editor of Newsweek Magazine and author of Our Fathers: The Secret Life of the Catholic Church in an Age of Scandal researched the nature of child sex abuse in the Catholic Church and concluded that: “There’s no inherent relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia. According to studies, homosexuals are less likely to be pedophiles than heterosexuals."

A. Nicholas Groth is a pioneer in the scientific study of sexual offenders against women and children. He has treated over 3000 child molesters during a career spanning more than 20 years so he is by any measure, an expert. He is also a former director of the Sex Offender Program at the Connecticut Department of Corrections. Groth explicitly states in his studies that it is a myth that men who molest boys are homosexual, writing in 1982, “… the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).

In 1998, Dr. Nathaniel McConaghy, a respected Australian Professor of Psychology and Neuroscientist similarly reported that: "The man who offends against prepubertal or immediately postpubertal boys is typically not sexually interested in older men or in women" (p. 259).
Comment by Colin on February 20, 2010 at 3:14am
I figured they just found the loophole...

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman..."

Well, the altar boys technically aren't men, so it MUST be ok!
Comment by TNT666 on February 20, 2010 at 2:35am
I'd LOVE to see the solidity of those stats, since less than 10% of our species is homosexual, stats must be sure to account for this difference in weight when comparing behaviours of hets and homos. I'm very cynical of any stat that would say that homos are 'better' (in the moral sense) than hets on this topic.

In my youth I swallowed a lot of pop talk about how gays were morally 'better' than hets, as I've grown older and wiser (one hopes) I've found that in fact, no, they are not 'better'.

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