Pharyngula (aka PZ Myers) threw a cracker in the garbage, along with some torn out pages of the Koran and The God Delusion. It is unclear as of yet whether he should be burned as Jew or burned as a witch.

PZ's whole post is worth reading. As usual, I agree and disagree with various parts of it. The only thing I'll bring up is his caricature of the disgruntled theist's complaint: "And if you find the idea that this cracker is a god stupid, why, you must be disrespectful and no gentleman!"

Well, the idea that this cracker is (not just symbolizes, but is with all the is-ness possible) a god is pretty stupid. Merely holding that idea, though, is not disresepectful or ungentlemanly. However, blogging at length about it in multiple invective-laden screeds is certainly disrespectful and ungentlemanly. It is like telling someone their child is ugly. And not just ugly, but "You're kid is so butt-ugly, he has to tie a steak around his neck to get the dogs to play with him."

Even if true, I rather doubt this can be done in a respectful and gentlemanly fashion.

So in the end, this is just a stunt by a jerk. It may be slightly amusing in a Jerry Springer sort of way, to see all the jerks on the other side boil out of the woodwork and say silly or hateful things. But that's about all it's worth.

X-posted from my Livejournal

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Comment by Jennie on July 24, 2008 at 8:04pm
I can't say I'm even a fan of Myers. I do have a lot of respect for the guy, because he officially has taken the heat off of Webster Cook. I think its very important that he did that. That poor kid does not have the same kind of support Myers does, and would have not been able to fight this Eucharist battle on his own.
Comment by essentialsaltes on July 24, 2008 at 6:34pm
to Jennie: Yes, I can understand trying to communicate with someone on their own level, but that doesn't require you to use their tactics. We should fight ignorance with knowledge, irrationality with rationality. I can even delight in satire, but this childish prank undermines many of the cogent arguments PZ makes elsewhere. I love the guy, honest.
Comment by Jennie on July 24, 2008 at 6:11pm
I must also state that I do think P.Z. Myer's behavior has been childish, but how else should someone respond when dealing with people who have imaginary friends in the sky?

When interacting with a child, I firmly believe you must put yourself in their mind frame before communication can be effective. For instance, when a child is learning to crawl, the BEST way to childproof a home, is to crawl around the house looking for potential dangers...
Comment by Jennie on July 24, 2008 at 5:10pm
I disagree but for entirely different reasons than Brad Freaker had stated. PZ Myer's entire desecration began on the behalf of a student at UCF student. Please read: This.

I commend Myer's for standing up for this student who is facing all kinds of crap in response to the above referenced incident.
Comment by essentialsaltes on July 24, 2008 at 5:01pm
I don't expect religion to get a pass, I'm just pointing out that ridicule is ridicule.
Comment by IsThatLatin on July 24, 2008 at 4:45pm
I agree with Brad.
Comment by Brad Feaker on July 24, 2008 at 4:34pm
I must respectfully disagree. I will not hesitate to call out and ridicule a UFO nut - why does religion get a pass? Transubstantiation is patently absurd - as you yourself pointed out - and just because it comes under the label of religion doesn't exempt it from said ridicule. And it differs from insulting a parent by calling their child ugly - the child really exists.



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