A building cannot assemble itself, there must be a builder. This proves god.

"Look at the perfection of design, that must suggest a designer"...or some similar argument is made by theists regularly and has become one of their church hymns. Many of them say that if a bomb goes off in a junkyard, that cannot create a fighter jet;Therefore a designer must exist for "creation.".....ummm ot really Mr. Theist.

One must be careful when debating this topic with theists as they have alot of holes they will try to suck you into.

Firstly, explain to Mr. Theist that junkyards, paintings and other man-made implements are not systems (biological or cosmical) hence they cannot assemble themselves. Evolution by natural selection however can produce a specie overtime. Explain to Mr. theist that lower life forms via natural selection, adapt to their surrounding environment hence slowly climbing "mount improbable." We have never seen bits of paper (for a painting) being assembled before our eyes but we have seen DNA being assembled many times even from non-living matter (Miller-Urey experiment as well as the more recent experiment done by the french scientist montonye see here:http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17802  shows chain links of amino acids and the basic components of life being formed through abiogenesis.) Furthermore, going by your own logic, who designed the designer? It is completely irrational to state that the designer is..."just there", as it blows a hole in your entire story.

 

A design does not mean there was a designer, as biological systems evolve via natural selection all on their own, this is fact.

 

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Comment by Antonio Chambers on May 31, 2011 at 7:12pm
thank you!
Comment by matt warren on May 31, 2011 at 6:41pm

hay chambers.....beutifull and simple argument.

very nicely done

;)

Comment by Antonio Chambers on May 31, 2011 at 6:35pm

HAHA Eric "a horshoe can't make a blacksmith" lol..good one creationists!!

 

However eric, you MUST be careful when stating that things are "accidental." Evolution via natural selection is far from accidental as certain DNA complexes must be preserved and continued in order for a specie to survive. If you do say it is completely accidental, you have handed over the reigns of the debate to the creationists. They will jump unto that idea and tell you that there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that randomness and "accidents" could produce a specie.

 

Look at it this way. Lets say you have 6 dice. In order for a specie to develop, you have to throw a six on all 6 dice. Now if you pick up all 6 dice and throw the chances of getting a six on all 6 dice are astronomical and hence, technically impossible.

 

However, natural selection does not work like that. With evolution, you throw all 6 dice. Lets say the throw produces 1 six out of all six dice. Evolution via natural selection preserves that 1 dice and you are now left with 5 dice. On your next throw you might get 2 sixes, natural selection preserves those dice and you are now left with only 3 dice.!..and this cycle continues. Getting a six on all 6 dice using this method (natural selection) is now ABSOLUTELY achievable if not unavoidable.

 

LOL I hope you see where I'm going with this. I use this argument to shut up creationists when they bring up the "random chance" argument and it works 100% of the time!

Comment by Antonio Chambers on May 30, 2011 at 8:07pm
Agreed. I didn't address that matter because I did a blog previously about it here http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/evolution-is-only-a-theory Thanks for the response

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