Although I first asked, "Where did the universe come from?" and "Where did God come from?", when I was just a child, I never entertained the notion that the universe has always been here; despite, at one time, believing that God had always been here. When I realized that the two questions were interchangeable, it didn't seem so odd to think the universe had always been here.

I thought about that for awhile and realized that creation is an illusion. Nothing is ever created. Things just change form. It's called the First Law of Thermodynamics; the conservation of energy. We really are made from stardust. The universe itself existed as pure energy, in a singularity, before exploding into the immense cosmos that awes us at night. The universe transformed from energy to matter; Einstein's E=MC2.

I've always thought of the universe as the cosmos. But in fact, the cosmos is just one form of the universe. The universe also existed (and might again exist) as a singularity. In one form or another, the universe must always have existed -- if the First Law holds true in a singularity (which is something we don't know for sure).

We know the universe exists, so it must have always existed. It's truly eternal. But we don't know, in the same physical way, that God exists. If the universe is truly eternal, God (The Creator) never needed to exist: we already had a universe (singularity or cosmos). If we don't know God exists and the First Law suggests he never needed to exist, then why insist that he does?

When we watch TV, we know that man invented it as well as the videos it displays. We know no other animal invented any of it because the "creator" must be more complex and intelligent than the "created". If God created the universe, he would have to be more complex than the universe. As awesome and mysterious as the universe is, God would have to be even more so. What purpose does it serve to unnecessarily add this supernatural layer of complexity? Isn't trying to understand the natural universe enough?

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Comment by Atheist Exile on September 2, 2009 at 1:19am
Hi MISTER AlienDreams,


Yeah, it was a bit sexist of me to associate empathy with the feminine gender. I was raised by a hell-raising, bar brawling, Army soldier. He taught me to be polite but never take crap from anybody. "If you're going to fight, go for the juglar." LoL. A lot of what he taught me was just plain wrong and I've had to unlearn those lessons the hard way.

Jumping to conclusions is one of those faults I've yet to tame. I assumed you were female because of your empathetic points of view. I assumed somebody else was a bullying control freak, when in fact he suffers from a high-functioning form of autism (perhaps Asperger's Syndrome).

Oh well . . . live and learn . . . EVENTUALLY.
Comment by Atheist Exile on August 31, 2009 at 9:37pm
When I wondered if people are "born this way", I was referring to the disposition to think with the heart instead of the brain: emotionally instead of logically -- I was NOT wondering whether or not they're born religious. Nobody is born religious. That takes indoctrination. By the way, childhood religious indoctrination into the parents' religion should be a crime. Taking such a personal, private, decision away from an innocent human being is truly, wretchedly, evil.

I agree with the rest of your points, though I don't usually think in the same terms. You're a very empathetic person: so much so, that I've always assumed your female.

Yikes! I just checked your profile and YOU'RE MALE! LoL. And I've been thinking of you as a real sweetheart of a young lady. Well, I'm doubly impressed -- your kind of empathy is rare in a male . . . at least, to my experience.
Comment by Atheist Exile on August 31, 2009 at 1:29pm
You know, you may be on to something here. Your take on things reminds me of the quote from Carl Sagan: “You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe.” The true believer operates from the heart instead of the brain. My question is: are they born this way or is it the result of religious brainwashing. There's some people who come to religion as adults, so they apparently didn't grow up being led by the heart. I think there's a seduction that comes from friends and community that leads to choosing religion for emotional instead of intellectual reasons.

Most people are moderate in their beliefs. Unfortunately, agendas are usually controlled by the squeaky wheels. With religions, that means the fundamentalists. The moderates, by acquiescing to the fundamentalists, empower the worst factions of their religions. This has always led to misery all around.

There's something else that always lurks in the back of my mind where true believers are concerned: it's the symmetrical bell curve of IQ scores. Let's face it, half the world is on the downhill slope of that curve. Perhaps, religion won't go away until all people have evolved sufficiently enough to understand the difference between fact and wishful thinking.



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