I received (elsewhere) a reply to a post in which I provided a Pat Condell video and transcript which had nothing to do with the "Palestinian Problem". I received the following reply (edited for grammar):
I also was subscribed to Pat Condell’s YouTube channel but just was shocked and couldn’t agree with his views on Israel. I really don't see how anyone who often goes on about human rights can talk as if Israel can do no wrong – AND he gets the real news on the matter in the U.K; not the suppressed U.S Israel lobby news the Americans get.
The following is my response:
My website is http://AtheistExile.com.
As for Israel . . . I hope you're up on the history of that region. There was NO country there when Israel was created . . . and "created" is the appropriate word. The United Nations granted the territory to Israel after WWII. Israel took control after a short war.
This is not to say that the Israeli/Palestinian problem is not important. What it means is that Israel is legitimate in its own right: both by international agreement AND by military conquest. It's hypocritical to condemn Israel's possession by Jews, through war, when Muslims previously occupied the same land, through war.
Possession is now a moot point. The question is: How does Israel address the needs of the Palestinian people? First of all, the Palestinian people need to cease hostilities against Israel. As an autonomous state, Israel has the RIGHT to protect its own security. Peace, obviously, can't begin until hostilities cease. Missiles and suicide bombers must become an artifact of history before Israel can loosen its controls on the Palestinians.
The Palestinians will argue the opposite: that they can't cease hostilities until Israel ceases its crack-down. I obviously side with Israel on this chicken-and-egg conflict. A large part of my position is the fact that Palestinians are predominantly Muslims who teach hatred of Jews and Israel to their children . . . who then grow up to be adults who continue the cycle. Israel is a tiny democracy surrounded by despots and terrorists. Until their neighbors learn to govern their own citizens democratically, I can't, with clear conscience, support them over Israel.
If Egypt and Jordan can negotiate meaningful peace with Israel, then so can Palestinians -- IF they have the will.
I can't speak for him, of course, but I think Pat Condell would make a somewhat similar argument.
I know such a position is sacrilegious among a large portion the uber-liberal atheist community but I believe it is right. Liberals want to be inclusive. And that's normally a good thing. But inclusion is not a goal in its own right. All considerations need to be addressed with dealing with complex issues. Personally, I believe that non-democratic, Islamic, states have major issues with peaceful co-existence with non-Muslims and that it's pointless to capitulate to them unless you actually WANT to appear weak.
Israel certainly makes mistakes and is not blameless. But the same could be said for any other powerful nation. Israel has offered significant concessions for the sake of peace -- only to have them rejected. This is not the way to trust.