I recently got into a discussion with a guy at work. He is a lutheran and I am an atheist, pearlist, humanist, whatever you want to label me as. He made a comment to me saying that he had his belief in god just like I have my belief in science. I haven't been able to quite wrap my head around this statement. I don't belief in science at all. I think as someone who is in school to be a scientist it would be very irresponsible to 'believe' in science. I accept the scientific method and what it has yielded. If that method exposes a new truth, theory, law, fact, etc and it is substantially backed by evidence then my mind can change.

I can't really see his angle.

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Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on August 3, 2009 at 6:47am
As to those crackos who talk endlessly about the bible being "the word of god" and they arrogantly challenge you with that, it can be enough to reply:
"It ain't the word of god. It's the word of simple, illiterate, brain-challenged, hallucinating, desert, goat-herders inventing stories to suit themselves."
Try visiting the group "Origins". There's a superb summary there, just written by Robert Tobin, about the absurd and devious beginnings of the christian faith, and you will see by what a feeble thread the believers so desperately hang on to.
Comment by Adam Johnson on August 3, 2009 at 12:14am
That is very helpful. Thanks. I do find it quite funny that theists are so 'anti-science' but they love to take full advantage of it. ie: vaccines, cars, internet, clothes, food, clean water, etc. I don;t have enough time or patience to type out all of the things they enjoy or need to survive given by science... and to think, science never asks for anything in return.
Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on August 2, 2009 at 6:47pm
His angle is bent, warped.......

Moreover, it implies that he does not 'believe' in science...which is nonsense too, with all the scientific wonders all about him. He might then respond by saying that he accepts technology.

Then tell him that if he does not 'believe' in science, then he must think that he is cleverer than the 10 million scientists of the last 150 years who have done a billion experiments all of which network and cross-check as to their internal self-sustaining truths. (cf. the arguments regularly presented in the group "Origins: Universe, Earth, Life, religion etc..").
Pre-empt him by accusing him of arrogance in believing that the desert goat-herders of two to six millennia ago were cleverer than our scientists---before he tries accusing you. ["Origins"]



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