Saying this always ruffles feathers but I am just as tired of the atheists around me droning on about their atheism. Coming from a religious background I see no difference in the weird little competition that goes on between religious people and how religious they are. They get into these conversations about their churches and the groups they are in and the different events they go to and what spiritual book they are reading that really made them think and all the conversations they have at work with the non religious people etc etc. See how that droned on? All of that is no different than the atheists around. Just change a few keywords. I'm an atheist. Have been for a long time. It only comes up when someone asks me or we get into a conversation about something and then people want to know why my opinion is what it is. However, the answer to that inquiry is rarely, "because I'm an atheist". My atheism is an outgrowth of my opinions and understanding, not the other way around. I digress. I have religious friends that, no matter the context, they will always find a way to throw in the "I'm a Christian so..." crap. They can't help it. I have atheist friends that, no matter the context, find a way to throw in the "I'm an atheist so..." crap. Both sides do it from a this is why I'm better than you, smarter than you, etc attitude. It's tired. I walk away from those conversations because I don't care. I just live.

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Comment by Jason Crowell on December 6, 2013 at 7:31am
True, very true. I was part of a small church. One of those "all about community and relationships" churches. I can still be proud of the work we did. No person at the church was rich by any means but one time they scraped every penny they could to help a woman who ,had just lost everything get a car, never asked her to go to church or anything. My issue with that was to then listen to the pastor talk about the amazing thing The Lord had done. The Lord did nothing. These people saw a woman struggling and decided to change it. Hands on, no praying, no fundraising outside of their little group. The pastor didn't know until after the fact. It finally struck me solid. We took this wonderful thing and ruined it by reassigning the credit. Like when you thank The Lord for "this wonderful meal". The Lord wasn't in the kitchen all day creating this experience. Mom was.
Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on December 5, 2013 at 11:12pm

I was not proud to have performed street preaching, found it sort of alarming that I, myself were actually spreading such BS.  A little ashamed, but, what the heck, it was all part of experiencing life, sometimes you need to walk on the dark side to interpret light properly.

Comment by Dyslexic's DOG on December 5, 2013 at 11:09pm

Ha Ha Jason, not even for a minute did I think you were aiming at A/N, I could see that you were venting some frustration at those annoying mosquito like theists that hang around spouting rubbish so they could suck some more of your blood, errr wallet contents.

I did some street preaching for the "Holy Roller" pentecostal movement, with their silly speaking in tongues and faith healing nonsense.  Didn't quite get to being the one laying on the hands, quit b4 I got that far into it.

Did a little bit of deception, that exposed them as charlatans, which was enough proof for moi.

Comment by Jason Crowell on December 5, 2013 at 10:44pm

I will add that if anyone thinks this post was aimed at this site, THAT i will apologize for. It would be taking it out of context but I suppose I could have put a disclaimer. So..I am talking about the everyday world...not on this social site for atheists that I consciously joined for the like minded community. I would, in fact, expect atheism, secularism etc to be a main topic of conversation here. That's why I joined. Love the site.

Comment by Jason Crowell on December 5, 2013 at 10:37pm

To those who actually read it, I did come from a religious background. I was in fact an asst. pastor at a church in Tx. But things never sat well with me I realized I was being dishonest and that was that. I dont hide who or what I am. I'm just saying that my experience is that if you sit two atheists down in a room they will seem to talk about their hatred of religion etc and little else. Others feel like they have to crash into a room with "atheist and proud" attitude the same way Christians have to walk into a room holding a bible or pray at the coffee shop so you know what they are. It makes us seem shallow, especially given the probability that we will pick on Christians when they do that. I dont shy away from conversations of religion or philosophy etc. but I also dont seek out people with crosses on their necks and try to tell them why their "stupid". So, I guess I was seeking to see how others felt about this.

Comment by Jason Crowell on December 5, 2013 at 10:26pm

Ok, let me state that blah blah blah had nothing to do with anything than calling my little discussion  a little discussion. Where I am from "the blah blah" is like "shooting the shit". Maybe serious..but not really. So if someone was personally offended or found that disrespectful...well I dont actually concern myself because I said nothing offensive. If we love to examine and inquire then maybe a good inquiry would have been, "what do you mean by blah blah blah?" I mean if they only thing you took away from this was the title. However, it seems most people got what I was saying so thank you for the wonderful responses.

Comment by Peter Martin Page on December 5, 2013 at 3:30pm

Jason I am embarrassed at the cowardice I showed in being so politically correct and tolerant in my previous comment. To say Blah Blah Blah to an entire forum is dismissive and disrespectful. This tone debases the forum. I expect better. You could easily have made your statement in a respectful manner.

Comment by Peter Martin Page on December 5, 2013 at 2:10pm

I also enjoy living, but I also enjoy examining that living.

Comment by Tracy Jenkins on December 4, 2013 at 1:42pm

Jason, well said!  Does it matter whether we are atheist or believers?  Can we all just be human?  Is it okay for a child to believe in Santa and the tooth fairy but not Jesus?  I, personally, have no problems with religion as a whole.  There are those that give it a bad name, just as there are those of us that give non believers a bad name.  I do not think ministering in the name of atheism is the answer.  This is a decision we need to make through education, not ministering.  Just my thoughts!

Comment by Michael Penn on December 3, 2013 at 7:18am

Jason, your point is well taken, but some of us just have to spread knowledge around. My study for the ministry lead me to atheism. When god and the bible went out the door, atheism had to come in. I'm not "out" to everyone, but I still value those discussions you talk about. You might say in one sense that I'm still a minister. The difference today is that I minister for atheism. The bible book of Genesis (beginnings) ended up being nothing but fairy tales in the end, and it is this book that claims the "fall of man" and the great need of "redemption." When you get this all out of the way it's easy to see that religion is just made up bullshit! (You cannot be an auto mechanic if you don't know anything about cars.)



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