Can't the poor simpleminded theists ever defend their faith?

It's starting to really bother me. Every theist on facebook seems to be activey trying to convert me and no matter what the hell I do, they always just leave. It's extremely rediculous. What the hell could compell someone to presuppose that they are right and never bother to defend it? Every time they throw something at me that they thing sounds smart (irreducible complexity, order to the universe, etc)
I rip it apart peice by piece and rather than THINKING about what they thow at me, they just... go find something else.

What the hell is the point of having a brain if you don't use it. By their own religious standards, we are better than animals because we are smarter and closer to the 'mind of god.' If my arguments are so much more intelligent than theirs... doesn't that mean that I'm closer to the mind of god then they are??? 0.o

I mean... I wouldn't even be bothered if after each piece of shit they fling (hoping it sticks) was admitted to be foolish after I disprove it. They never do. They never give you the satisfaction of knowing that you won on that particular claim...

I mean, the claim could be:

I have a cup
Cups are tools
Therefore, god

And they STILL wouldn't admit that it is a horrible argument. What makes intelligent people otherwise so STUPID when analyzing religion? If nothing else, this convinces me that religion is a poison to society!!! NO ONE should be sure enough to say that they have the true source of absolute morality without substantial proof. The bigots, cowards, and refuse-to-analyzers make me want to rip my hair out.

What do you do about the locusts when they come swarming?

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Comment by Sonny Mobley on January 21, 2010 at 1:36am
First of all Jez Smith, I did not say you can't defend theism in general. I said you can't defend religious claims. Most theist's are not going to be defending some intricate and challenging philosophical position. To them religion = stories about people walking on water.

I am well aware that most of the cleverest people to ever live have been theist's. Because almost everyone who has ever existed has been a theist. And, of course, no matter how brilliant they were... if they were a theist they were wrong.
Comment by Johnny on January 20, 2010 at 3:57pm
My father is a very intelligent man but when he speaks about religion.....not so intelligent.

sums up every smart theist I've ever encountered. That goes for Descartes too.
Comment by Johnny on January 20, 2010 at 3:25pm
ahem...What makes intelligent people otherwise so STUPID when analyzing religion?

if you were to evaluate my position correctly, it leaves room for the fact that intelligent people are religious. when analyzing religion, however, their analysis turns irrational.

and you want to argue descartes? when I read Meditations, I agree that most of the way through it was very intelligent. When he got to proving god though, his analysis was ad absurdum. philosophers scoff at his analysis all the time. Descartes conforms directly to my claim that intelligent people suddenly seem stricken stupid when analyzing religion.

And Sonny said the exact same thing. There is no intelligent defense currently that advocates theism. You straw man to the extreme to say that either of us called theists themselves stupid.
Comment by Jez Smith on January 20, 2010 at 3:19pm
Some of the cleverest people who have ever lived where theists, people like Rene Descartes,who was a lot cleverer than Sonny here spent his entire life writing why he believed in god, so don't go round making sweeping statements like all theists are stupid just becuase the ones you see on facebook happen to be stupid.
Comment by Sonny Mobley on January 20, 2010 at 1:49pm
"refuse-to-analyzers" Haha. Awesome. My oldest friend (we're 25 this and next month) of two decades is one of those! :/ We have the lousiest two decade old friendship 've ever seen.
Comment by Sonny Mobley on January 20, 2010 at 1:47pm
Of course they can't! You can't defend religion intelligently! Perhaps the general idea of theism can be defended, but no religious belief can be defended. 'cause it's allll nonsense.
Comment by Johnny on January 20, 2010 at 1:34pm
if they can't see how thats one of the stupidest reason to believe in something...I don't know what to tell them.

Comment by Johnny on January 20, 2010 at 1:19pm
Their entire belief system is based on.. well.. belie

Definition of confirmation bias: a tendency for people to prefer information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses, independently of whether they are true.[2][3] People can reinforce their existing attitudes by selectively collecting new evidence, by interpreting evidence in a biased way or by selectively recalling information from memory.

Variations of theist defenses: "You have to have faith." "If you do not believe and actively pursue, he can not reveal himself to you." "If you reject the idea of god, how can you find any evidence?'

COINCIDENCE? I think not!

Belief for the sake of belief is none other than the most grotesque and blatant form of confirmation bias I have ever seen in the history of mankind.
Comment by Edward Teach on January 20, 2010 at 12:17pm
I have a cup
Cups are tools
Therefore, god

It'll drive ya nuts! Mentally ill folks with delusional disorder are nearly impossible to work with.

I've got a theory that religion selectively shorts out rational processes as a defense mechanism!



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