First of all, I'm new here and just would like to say hello.

Now on to the blog entry.

Christian atheism is a belief system in which God is rejected but the teachings of Jesus are followed in one's everyday life.
  • 1. the assertion of the unreality of God for our age, including the understandings of God which have been a part of traditional Christian theology
    2. the insistence upon coming to grips with contemporary culture as a necessary feature of responsible theological work
    3. varying degrees and forms of alienation from the church as it is now constituted
    4. recognition of the centrality of the person of Jesus in theological reflection
  • (Wikipedia)

    Now, I know people will rag on this and most of those being Christians but how come we see full fledged Christians quoting Buddhist belief in Karma, calling it Karma, and saying they believe in this? Or the common phrase 'What goes around comes around.' Some parts of the Bible to pertain to parts of this aspect and even if taken out of context why would they say Karma?

So we are all hypocrites.... at least most Atheists don't contradict themselves and believe Ron Hubbard and stuff.

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Comment by ryan cameron on November 28, 2009 at 12:04am
Two counter points.

1. Jesus (the one described in the modern english bibles and variants) does not have a monopoly on those things. The world view of christianity is neither the first appearance of that kind of simple, timeless wisdom, nor is it the single viewpoint that those tenets appear in.

2. Jesus said a lot of nonsense, and things that are just plain incorrect as well. You cant just cherry pick the things you like if you are going to carry the title of "christian".
-"I am the way, the truth, and the light. No Man comes to the father but through me"
-"if your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out..."
-"Narrow is the way that leads to life and few find it"

So, Jesus is basically saying a lot of crazy things, and in there, were a few things that align with universal common sense and a humanistic ideology, but those seem to be put out like fishing lures to give credence to the utterly retarded stuff. The key is to recognize the few things and find where they appear in other teachings, then realize universal truth belongs to no specific man, teacher, or event. It, like nature, came from a long evolutionary process, even though many try to trademark it. It is free to all, as plentiful as the air we breath, and transcends all our institutions.
Comment by Kyle Ziggy on November 27, 2009 at 12:18pm
I guess that was just my point in the jest, too much 'baggage to carry'. It just seems that if they hate us so much why do we call ourselves by their names.

I don't know, maybe I'm just too petty and picky. ;]
Comment by Howard S. Dunn on November 27, 2009 at 2:54am
I don't know the Ghandi quote - but to paraphrase - Jesus was cool - it's his followers that suck

Actually, the Jesus in the Bible was a pretty angry guy and you have to stop reading before you get to the psychos like Paul and Daniel and John (of Revelations fame)

Basically, if you strip it down to:
1. the golden rule
2. the beatitudes (inserting viable but non standard definitions for words like "meek")
3. the "suffer the little children" thing
4. the "let tomorrow take care of itself" thing
5. the "stop worrying about death so freakin much" thing
6. the "turn the other cheek" thing
7. the "forgive each other" thing (as in throw the first stone principle)
8. the "sacrifice yourself for the sake of everyone else" thing

Then, Jesus was just alright with me. Yeah.

Some clarification (much of which "real" Christians will push back against)
1. The golden rule rocks - but that one wasn't original - it did toss tend to boil down the good parts of the commandments and tone down the angry, jealous, "you must fear me" god crap
2. "meek" needs to mean "self-possessed" and not "weak and compliant". Take it to mean the ability to feel so comfortable and secure in your own skin that you neither worship nor envy anyone else and, thus, feel no need to put yourself down or put others down and, yeah, that's a pretty blessed way to be. "poor in spirit" needs clarification as well. Take that to mean "not greedy or selfish". You start to get my point.
3. Maintaining the innocence and wonder of children as much as possible is a positive thing - as long as it doesn't mean you don't look both ways before crossing a busy street,etc.
4. Atheists get this. Focusing on an afterlife might have been an unintended consequence of what Jesus was trying to do. He may have been trying to get us to focus on the here and now
5. (see 4.) But claiming that death could be conquered, he may have been trying to take the fear out of it and turn people's focus onto life and not death. Didn't work out that way. Oops.
6. Ghandi, among others, proved that passive resistance is pretty powerful stuff.
7. This one seems pretty solid - but the story I mention to illustrate it turns out was likely added in by an Irish monk during the dark ages.
8. Dying for the sake of everyone else - supreme selflessness - is pretty noble - and an effective tool in overthrowing the status quo if the ruling class is who kills you.

Lots of atheist pagans, Jews, Buddhists, etc. out there. Why not atheist Christians? I used to call myself a Christist for awhile - meaning about what this blog suggests. Still too much baggage for me, though.



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