The move toward American Theocracy by the empowered evangelical 'elite' in the US has made it almost impossible for an atheist or difficult for a non-christian to be elected to office.  Schools are having their curriculum undermined by creationist who wish to revise history, remove evolution from science, and prevent teaching sexual health and pregnancy prevention.  Atheist fear reprisals for not being christian and are often discriminated against at work, socially, and most especially in the military. American as a "Christian Nation" is not a free nation or an ethical one.


How can we reasonably and rationally combat this and prevent the US from becoming a theocracy?  In the realms of   Politics-  Legality-  Workplace-  Community-   Family-  Education- 

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Comment by Shannon on February 18, 2011 at 1:06pm
Lets start  by takin away their tax break. Nothing pisses me off more than that.
Comment by Frankie Dapper on February 18, 2011 at 9:33am


I agree that attacking theology as a first line is not ususally productive. Instead we should focus on the church as a political institution. Talk facts. Most theists could point to molestation as the product of church mischief and not much else.

Not sure I understand your point about homoginized communities.

Comment by Shannon on February 17, 2011 at 4:51pm

I agree that we need to get this discussion out of the realm of spiritual fantasy and into values that help people lead better and more ethical lives.  That's why a children's book on tolerance written from the perspective of the atheist child would be a great idea.  People become upset when you attack their god.  I think they secretly feel attacked themselves and are also afraid that if god is listening he might get mad at them for listening or not defending him.


I guess I have a hot button about homiginized communities.  A lot of people infantalize whole demographic groups and excuse individual bad behavior.  Then they look down 'rednecks', fat people, and whites who don't have a decent education.   You have to meet folks where they are and then hold them to respectfully high standard. 


Vermont sound nice.  We hardly ever get snow down here.  Once every two or three years.  I don't count under 2 inches or ice. 

Comment by Frankie Dapper on February 17, 2011 at 1:49pm


I was sort of kidding about Vermont. However it is a pretty cool state. And consider that predominant homogeneity can also result in intolerance. Guessing it might be the one state to vote for an atheist candidate for president.

You know the believers would be too curious to see what AN atheist network is all about. We could challenge so many cherished and flawed beliefs. And imagine how debates between prominent theists and atheists might awaken young minds. And for me the most important challenge is to the big lie equating morality with religion. This is a subject which is far less theoretical than the existence of god. I believe that a fair treatment of religion's impact will have a significant role in changing things for the better.

All of this goes hand in hand with the superiority of rationally based ethics. It certainly is not sufficient to defenestrate the man upstairs unless we also clean out the attic.

Comment by Shannon on February 16, 2011 at 1:38pm


I like presenting rationally based ethics.  Perhaps an atheist relief NGO?  Ethics based children's books? Good ideas.


I would like to point out that Vermont is a rather homoginous state.  97% of the state is white.  Wages are good- although they took a relatively small 5% hit with the recession.  Vermont was 49th in foreclosure rates in this Big Recession. It's easy to be tolerant if everyone is alike.  Throw in serious ghettos, language barriers, and differing worldviews and it is a different story.


I know you are joking.  Vermont does sound cool. Religious freedom is also for blue collar, pink collar, blacks, latinos, and asians as well.  Im a southern gal.  We have this mix in our area.  We all have to work together.  Sometimes we succeed and sometimes we fail.

Comment by Frankie Dapper on February 15, 2011 at 11:11pm

Move to Vermont. Pretty pretty pretty pretty tolerant. Green mountains, good air, good cheese and bread.

Atheist can battle the demons by pooling monies and having an atheist network and compiling an antitheist encyclopedia of religion. Also we can publish rationally based ethics.



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