Evangelical doctrine #1 "supporting scriptures"

Lets start with number one. 

Looking at the "supporting" Scripture I see no way to claim that it is stating the bible as put to gather by the The First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE would be the final word. about 292 years or so after the events in the most recent stories in the book.  

you know missing books from the Jewish scriptures and picking translations and books that favor the structure of the catholic church.      




1.  Bible. We believe that the Bible is the Word of God; without error as originally written.  Its content has been preserved by Him, and is the final authority in all matters of doctrine and faith--above all human authority.

(Isa 40:8) The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

(Psalm 12:6-7) The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.  Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

(Psalm 18:30) 
As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.

(Psalm 119:105) Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

(Psalm 119:160) Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

(Matt 5:18)
 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

(Matt 24:35) 
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

(John 17:17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

(2Tim 3:16) 
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

(Heb 4:12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

(2Pet 1:20-21) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.  For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

(2Pet 3:15-16) 
...as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

If this is what is called passing down the word of the almighty then. i am not sure how this survives.

Am i missing something or do they fail on supporting there #1 doctrine?

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Comment by Michael Penn on March 27, 2014 at 4:13pm

Some people actually believe that god had a hand in preserving the bible as we know it today, and that god wrote that book through "holy men," etc. It simply is not so. All of the bible books were separate books within themselves and they were never intended to be "one book." The Dead Sea scrolls show fragments of other books that were similar and much older, but there is no "one book" to take in all of what they believed. There never has been, but you can't convince the christian of that. My son in law keeps on hoping that someday they will "find a whole bible." This idea is very pathetic.

Imagine now the "blind faithers" trying to find Noah's Ark. How ignorant. Oh, yes, they found it. The big boat had animal drawings on the wall, Noah drew a picture and then signed it, and elephant dung was everywhere. What would it prove? When you ask the "faithers" how god could get every animal on earth inside that boat you get answers like "that's not for you to worry about coz god could do it." You can reason better with a first grader.

Comment by Chris Hanson on March 27, 2014 at 1:11pm

The fun of this is that I did not select this. this is the list of scriptures that they claim support the idea that the bible in the form they have it today is the "Inspired word of god". but as I read this and then go to 3 different variants of the bible for context I find vary little to support this being there first doctrine. But if you think of the first doctrine as a way to justify the existence of the church then i can see it. sounds more like a corporate mission statement to me.


Comment by Michael Penn on March 27, 2014 at 7:47am

I like your last scripture there from 2 Peter 3:15-16. Paul the "beloved brother" whom some at that time thought was a liar and a charlatan. Paul changed and added to many doctrines, was believed to be mentally unbalanced by some, and had been banned from certain churches. For many he was not to be trusted, and his "gospel" was considered "anti-christ." Yet, this man supposedly supplied a big part of the New Testament writings and many today even believe his claims that he was "the greatest apostle of them all." Doctrines have come about because of this man's beliefs and yet, in his visions, he could not tell "whether he was in or out of the body." This is more than a little bit scarey! Add the fact that he was a Roman citizen and the stage is set differently. We do not know his end but he was in a house and protected by a Roman guard for 2 years as the writings play out. Modern christians think he was beheaded on the Appian Way after this time, but I don't think that very likely. Saul of Tarsus paved the way for modern christianity, and we all know that the Romans did not like the Jews.

Note also in this same scripture that it was not only Paul's writings that are hard to understand and were being "wrestled" with, it was also all the other srciptures too. There were just as many charlatans at that time as there are today, but I think the stage was being set pretty well. All the Romans had to do was bring it together and we then have christianity as we know it today



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