From the Founding Father's of the USA

“Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.” – Thomas Jefferson

“In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.” – James Madison
“Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.” – Benjamin Franklin
“I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.” – George Washington
“The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.” – John Adams

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Comment by Richard K. Emms on May 22, 2014 at 9:00pm

I think we are really in agreement. 

Comment by Michael Penn on May 22, 2014 at 6:41pm

If you don't get it in this blog then read the John Adams quote in here also titled "John Adams quote: the non-divine origin of the United States government." Yep, Adams was my kind of theist.

Comment by Richard K. Emms on May 21, 2014 at 8:07pm

Blogs often seem true.  My source is from personal writings from the Library of Congress.  You decide for yourself.  The fact is though, that they all feared religion seeping into government, not to mention how utterly crazy religious offshoots can be.  All of the founders believed strongly in having enough sense to know how to live your life without some dogma dictating it.

Comment by Michael Penn on May 21, 2014 at 9:17am

Opinions are fine, but the words posted on this blog would seem to be true. Unless the Internet lies to us, you can search and find these things. If "the divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity," then I would conclude that John Adams was my kind of christian. Does Adams or any other of these quote sound like a christian? I think not.

Comment by Richard K. Emms on May 21, 2014 at 6:48am


I agree with your concept, but I have copies of their written words.  As I said, read "The Age of Reason".

Comment by Rick on May 21, 2014 at 1:37am

One thing people either forget or do not realize, is that the Founding Fathers were closer historically to the events that lead them to make these decisions when creating the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

There are several things in the Constitution and Bill of Rights that reflects these historical events.  One is that there shall not be a "Religious Test to hold Office."  This comes from individuals duly and democratically elected to public office but not allowed to take office because they were not of the "approved" religion.  

Ergo, so what if Obama is a Muslim?  Not a problem because this is the US and there isn't a religious test to hold office.  There was also a Supreme Court case back around 1960 where an atheist won election but the state laws said that atheists could not hold public office.  Sorry, Constitution 1, Religious Nut Jobs 0.

Most people do not know that King George III was also the head of the Church of England. The Official religion of England.  The Colonies being part of England fell under that umbrella as well. 

However, there was also religious freedom in the colonies. Some of my ancestors left England because they were Quakers and were persecuted by the Church of England.  They moved to Ireland and were persecuted there by the Catholic Church.  They, you could say, followed the lead of the Pilgrims and immigrated to the colonies.

In addition, the concept of the "Separation between Church and State" was nothing new when the US was created. One such supporter of this idea was Roger Williams, the founder of Rhode Island and a theologian. He was also persecuted for his religious beliefs. He was also against "Forced Worship" as he stated, "Forced worship stinks in the nostrils of God."  

This is where we as a whole need to study the History of Western Civilization.  We need to do so to see how our country came into being and those events and actions, and injustices that caused it creation.  Then we need to look at just how far, as a country, a people and society we come and how much we've achieved.

A moment to pat ourselves on our backs, because, no Islamic nation has gone to the moon nor has the Vatican.

We may all stand a gloat.


Comment by Michael Penn on May 20, 2014 at 11:33pm

I have to disagree with you Richard. For the most part our founding fathers considered themselves deists. Certainly not theists as there is a difference which I encourage you to Google and read about. Many of them talked about "divine providence" and Franklin often used that term. To the deist god was the devine force who created eveything, but other than this he could not be known and this was why so many of them were against organized religion with its Jesus and salvation, and a devine plan for all. God was the clock maker who set the universe in motion and then backed away from the scene.

Comment by Richard K. Emms on May 20, 2014 at 10:37pm

I have extensively read the works of Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, and many other of our funders.  For the most part, and I quote, they considered themselves theists, but most all of them were against organized religions.  Please read Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason".  Quite a long read, in two parts.  You will not get the entire meaning without reading it all.  Quite a lot of good for a self proclaimed theist.  I am a confirmed Atheist myself, but anyone still needing someone to help them distinguish right from wrong should read it. 

   By the way, Ben Franklin's autobiography is very interesting as well.

Comment by Michael Penn on May 19, 2014 at 9:23am

Too bad that the christians ignore these quotes and want to continue with their "christian nation" bullshit.



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