Fundamentalist christians want us to burn. Be burned alive.

For "rejecting the free gift of Jesus" they want us burned alive forever. How scary is that? Does that not qualify as a hate crime, and why are pastors not called out for hate speech?

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Comment by Loren Miller on January 13, 2010 at 9:51pm
Ya know, the whole "God Hates Fags" takes on an entirely different color when the "fags" no longer take their crap without response. I've said this before and will gladly repeat: I'm bisexual ... and anyone who wants a piece of me is invited to try. May I heartily advise those so inclined to have their insurance in force and paid up.

Does the phrase, "uki practice" mean anything here?!?
Comment by ryan cameron on January 13, 2010 at 7:47pm
I realize they dodge around saying they "want" us to burn, but they loudly proclaim that the bible is the supreme authority in their lives. And the bible most certainly commands that athiests MUST face eternal torture and burning. I could be accused of connecting the dots here, but its important to drum that into the air to demonstrate how the bible is intolerant, repulsive, and hateful book that is anti science, anti humanist, anti democratic, and inhumane. Porn gets put up on the top shelf and covered with black plastic barriers, so how much more so should the bible and christian rhetoric in terms of the damage it does to society.
Comment by ryan cameron on January 13, 2010 at 2:34pm
godsdog, good palindrome!
Comment by ryan cameron on January 13, 2010 at 2:33pm
Another good point Loren, its important to not be alarmist or a victim. That would be irrational. I am hoping to focus on theoretical manifestations of irrationality, and see how they may already be manifesting themselves given what we know about where fundamentalism is "coming from".
Comment by Jim DePaulo on January 13, 2010 at 1:27pm
@ Roy The Infidel
They literally burned our kind 500 years ago. I bet they relish that fact.
It was during the Inquisitions that the Dominican order was formed. The Pope named them. Domini Cainus - God's Dogs
Comment by Loren Miller on January 13, 2010 at 11:40am
A further point to consider is this: as belief and the church become more marginalized in favor of rationality, logic and science, will there eventually come a point where those who remain insistent in their belief eventually lash out against those whom they see as attackers of the faith? Personally, I don't see religion or its representatives going quietly into the night and indeed, I wrote about this issue not long after I joined A|N.

I'm not interested in being an alarmist about this. I am also not interested in being a victim. Mostly, what I want to do is at least lay out the possibility, hear second and third opinions, and maybe get a sense of what to expect in the future.
Comment by ryan cameron on January 13, 2010 at 11:02am
nerd - i knew..just wanted to pursue as if you weren't being sarcastic for the sake of making further points.

Loren - good points. The "reality" of the punishment relies on an acceptance of their world view too, so the only people who actually are in any 'danger' are those who accept that their imaginary world actually does exist, and still choose to 'reject jesus' offer'. So if you dont believe it exists, then they are as you say, off the hook.

I suppose my problem is, they believe it exists, and feel that supreme justice means some people will be subject to eternal torture. Its dangerous in this world because it then can easily be used to justify violence and torture as a means of exacting justice. I suppose we are lucky the bible says 'vengeance is mine, saith the lord" because if it didnt, they might become self appointed hall monitors and subject us to torture to 'help god out'. Still, that verse is chilling in that it seems to state the vengeance is a divine right, something holy and worthy of reverence, instead of something to be disgusted by as we are in a civilized society. As its been said, an "eye for an eye makes the world blind".
Comment by Loren Miller on January 13, 2010 at 10:14am
Oh, and parenthetically ... yes, that is hate-speech, as surely as a member of the Religious Reich would want to bash gays or a KKK member would harass and lynch a black man. I can see no difference, especially not if they're looking to spare their deity the work and do it themselves.

So long as they're leaving the punishment to their deity, they are likely off the hook. Any situation which would involve prosecution of such punishment on this plane of existence by those who care to purport themselves as messengers of their deity? 'Nother matter!!!
Comment by Loren Miller on January 13, 2010 at 9:49am
Certainly they burned heretics back when there was no one to face down the Church or its enforcers. To this date, I haven't seen a more modern move on to treat rationalists / atheists after this fashion, but should that actually happen, I will have no problem with arming and defending myself vigorously and without apology.

What indeed would have happened, as Professor Groeteschele asked in the movie Fail-Safe, "if every Jew they [the Nazis] came after had met them with a gun in his hand?"
Comment by Roy The Infidel on January 13, 2010 at 9:10am
They literally burned our kind 500 years ago. I bet they relish that fact.



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